The Big Lie - about use of sound moderator on barrel of family rifle...

[bigdave1975]

Did you not hear the story of ann eaton taking away a pair of .sheilas panties soaked with sheilasmenstual blood in the boot of her car.autopsy pictures.taken prove she had no underwear on.wich could have ment cross contamination of the silencer.and you have to ask she was wearing a nightie and no panties.on her menstrual week strange.

[mike tesko]

bigdave  be good and if you can't be good be careful and don't lock yourself out again

In my opinion, he is technically right, a silencer was used on the gun which fired the non fatal shot to the side of the neck, but there was not a silencer fitted to the gun, which fired the shot under the chin -

I cannot find any fault with what he is saying in general, at the moment, about the use of a silencer for one of the shots, and no use of a silencer when the second shot was fired under the chin, and he is entilted to his opinion, like the rest of us...

[susan]

Hi Mike

do you think the silencer which was found days later by one of the relatives was used during these shootings.  If so who hid it in the cupboard.

[susan]

bigdave  not strange at all just because you are having a monthly cycle does not mean you have to wear panties all the time if she had a shower and put on a clean nightie why would she wear panties.

[mike tesko]

Hi lookout

I have had it from good authority that the silencer was found at the very back of a very deep cupboard could not have just been thrown there and indeed was it Sheila's blood in the silencer.  I wonder.  So many strange events in this case to say the least if it was not so serious it would be funny and a total farce

Hi Susan, I think you are being confused by the story put forward that the only silencer in the case was the one found by David Boutflour, on 10th Aughust 1985. What I would invite you to consider, is this - if the silencer found in the gun cupboard by David Boutflour, is the only silencer involved in this investigation, since why does DS "Stan" Jones, take possession of four exhibits from the scene on 7th August 1985, bearing the identification marks of SBJ/1, SBJ/2, SBJ/3 and SBJ/4 (details of which are recorded in the major incident register), and how could Essex police still have a silencer in their possession, by 13th September 1985, to enable DS Davidson, and DS Eastwood, to fingerprint it, and for the case Operations manager, to implement an action report (181), to send a silencer to the lab' on 25th September 1985, to be checked for blood and fibres, if the only sound moderator (DB/1) in the case, was supposedly already sent to the lab' on, and by, 30th August 1985?

There was obviously more than one silencer found at the scene, not just the one referred to, or mentioned by police relatives and exopefrts at the lab'...

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike

do you think the silencer which was found days later by one of the relatives was used during these shootings.  If so who hid it in the cupboard.

Hi Susan,

No, I am with Jeremy on this point, I do not believe that the Bamber family owned silencer (DRB/1) found in the gun cupboard at the scene by David Boutflour, on 10th August 1985, was used in any of the shootings that night. Nobody hid it in the gun cupboard, and no-one removed it from the gun which fired the fatal shot under Sheila's chin, I honestly believe its introduction is nothing but a red herring...

[Lugg]

The use of the silencer only figured in the investigation after the relatives found it in the gun cupboard.

[susan]

Hi Mike  thanks for that.  I do get confused with all these silencers and I always thought the silencer hidden in the cupboard and found by DB was the one that helped to convict poor Jeremy Bamber as Sheila's blood was found inside it and that proved she could not have shot herself.  Have I got this all wrong.  Nothing straight forward with this case.

[mike tesko]

The use of the silencer only figured in the investigation after the relatives found it in the gun cupboard.

Hi Lugg,

I agree, a silencer (DRB/1) only figured in this criminal investigation (SC/786/85) once the relatives found the Bamber family owned one in the gun cupboard, on 10th August 1985, although I have to say that a silencer (SBJ/1) was subject of an internal police investigation beforehand because of the circumstances relating to how Sheila died inside whf after the raid team went in...

[susan]

Hi Lugg

if this silencer was found at the back of this very deep gun cupboard wonder what DB was looking for when he accidently found it.  Strange very strange.

[bigdave1975]

Mike you keep repeating yourself.

[bigdave1975]

Another thing why did they give her cpr.if she was dead unless they checked for a puls.

[susan]

bigdave  thought you were going out on the town

[bigdave1975]

I am im waiting on my freind going to pick me up.

[lookout]

Another thing why did they give her cpr.if she was dead unless they checked for a puls.

Sheila wouldn't have been dead if CPR was attempted. She may well have spluttered if blood was trickling down the back of her throat,,,and that's when the police acted if they heard her,,albeit possibly too late at that stage as it was just a final reflex of choking.