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Offline OnceSaid

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« Reply #45 on: February 16, 2013, 02:54:PM »
if JB had arranged for the murders then surely that makes him just as culpable

I think there would be a difference in a person that arranged a murder, and a person that actually could carry out the murder of 3 family members and two small children, that is why after the length of time that he has spent in prison so far (and the whole life tariff ordered on him), if he was not there and did not pull the trigger, (but had arranged it) if he were released, I would not be up in arms about it.

I don't think he was involved in the murders in any way.
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« Reply #46 on: February 16, 2013, 03:18:PM »

 
I dont know.... if you do a stretch on remand and then are found innocent , do you get compensation ?
 
I di know that remand counts as 'time' once you are found quilty

No you won't get compensation as they say this is the system working.

Peoples lives can be wrecked beyond repair, based on a false accusation/wrongful arrest/time spent on remand, but yet you are supposed to be thankful when you get a not guilty verdict.  People who deliberately lie to get someone arrested should be severely dealt with, IMO.

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« Reply #47 on: February 16, 2013, 03:30:PM »
If the arrest and remand were completely unreasonable, I suspect one could sue for compensation (but I haven't heard of such a case).

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« Reply #48 on: February 16, 2013, 04:03:PM »
I answered the question based on what 'I' feel should happen to someone who premeditated murder, which includes someone who hires someone else to carry out the 'task'. . . . I do believe some murderers should never be released! Would you be happy in the knowledge that Ian Huntley was ready for freedom?
You said hiring someone else to commit murder meant the hirer was equally guilty. It certainly suggests they're equally dangerous. However, you're emphasizing some murderers should never be released, leaving aside the question of what happens to someone who plans and orders such murders if their orders are ignored and the murders therefore don't occur.

The Ian Huntley case is interesting in two ways. The murders were absolutely deplorable, but the murderer could hardly have been mentally normal, even if legally sane. Huntley got life, of course, but didn't the trial judge specify a minimum of forty years? A person can change considerably in that time. The other interesting thing is that Huntley seemed to have made it easy for evidence against him to be obtained. If you read this article, you'll probably get the impression that the author is eccentric and his theory bizarre, but he nevertheless seems to be making valid comments about the evidence and the investigation of the case. Could Ian Huntley have been set up by the actual murderer(s)?

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« Reply #49 on: February 17, 2013, 12:07:AM »
You said hiring someone else to commit murder meant the hirer was equally guilty. It certainly suggests they're equally dangerous. However, you're emphasizing some murderers should never be released, leaving aside the question of what happens to someone who plans and orders such murders if their orders are ignored and the murders therefore don't occur.

The Ian Huntley case is interesting in two ways. The murders were absolutely deplorable, but the murderer could hardly have been mentally normal, even if legally sane. Huntley got life, of course, but didn't the trial judge specify a minimum of forty years? A person can change considerably in that time. The other interesting thing is that Huntley seemed to have made it easy for evidence against him to be obtained. If you read this article, you'll probably get the impression that the author is eccentric and his theory bizarre, but he nevertheless seems to be making valid comments about the evidence and the investigation of the case. Could Ian Huntley have been set up by the actual murderer(s)?

 
in the case of Huntley , whats the 'watered down petrol' theory ? and if Huntley is innocent why did Carr also serve time ??

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« Reply #50 on: February 17, 2013, 12:09:AM »

 
in the case of Huntley , whats the 'watered down petrol' theory ? and if Huntley is innocent why did Carr also serve time ??

 
it is quite possible to water down modern petrol... it has a % of ethanol in it and although water doesnt mix with petrol it does mix with ethanol

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« Reply #51 on: February 17, 2013, 12:14:AM »
Huntley admitted in court that he killed Holly and Jessica,but claimed it was an "accident".

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« Reply #52 on: February 17, 2013, 12:18:AM »
Huntley admitted in court that he killed Holly and Jessica,but claimed it was an "accident".

 
as did Fred West ... as he put it 'a bit of fun that went a bit wrong' and that all the women were loving the kinky sex.

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« Reply #53 on: February 17, 2013, 12:28:AM »

 
as did Fred West ... as he put it 'a bit of fun that went a bit wrong' and that all the women were loving the kinky sex.

I got a bit of a Fred West vibe when I read about Mick Philpott, and the fact that he was so into "dogging." And that the door handles had been removed from inside the childrens' bedrooms. God help him when he's sentenced.

Back off to my forum now. I can't knit.

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« Reply #54 on: February 17, 2013, 07:45:AM »
The door handles had been removed? How sinister! Was that a control thing pre alleged arson? Because if it was done immediately prior to the house fire,then that would obviously mean that he intended for the children to lose their lives as opposed to a plan "gone wrong".By the way,I can't knit either!

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« Reply #55 on: February 17, 2013, 08:13:AM »
. . . although water doesn't mix with petrol it does mix with ethanol
That doesn't show that there is water in petrol.

Huntley admitted in court that he killed Holly and Jessica, but claimed it was an "accident".
Really? What were his exact words in court to that effect?

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« Reply #56 on: February 17, 2013, 08:32:AM »
The door handles had been removed? How sinister! Was that a control thing pre alleged arson? Because if it was done immediately prior to the house fire,then that would obviously mean that he intended for the children to lose their lives as opposed to a plan "gone wrong".By the way,I can't knit either!

Hallo, Tyler!!   

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« Reply #57 on: February 17, 2013, 09:26:AM »
Huntley admitted in court that he killed Holly and Jessica,but claimed it was an "accident".

He certainly did Tyler.  He claimed the girls had an accident in the bathroom, but the jury did not believe him.  Forensics examined the tyres on his car and found the identical mud in them that were on the track leading to where the girls were found....They also found charred remains of their Man Utd....shirts in the incinerator at the school.... :) :) :) :)

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« Reply #58 on: February 17, 2013, 01:08:PM »
I've only read a few reports - what exactly did Huntley say in court on this matter?

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« Reply #59 on: February 17, 2013, 01:45:PM »
Does anyone know if Jeremy cried or not during questioning.?