I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[tyler]

At the beginning of 2004, Smith and myself went to Birmingham to see Ewen Smith in his office, about the markt around the lower bullet entry wound upon Sheila's neck, pointing out that it suggested in the strongest possible terms that a sound moderator had been in contact with the skin at the time the non fatal shot across the throat had been inflicted. When we spoke to Ewen Smith about this at his office in Birmingham, he said that if the mark we were referring to had been made by a sound moderator being in a contact position with the surface of Sheila's throat, then he said it was curtains for Jeremy having any chance of winning an appeal based on the silencer evidence, because that circular mark tended to show that a sound moderator had been used in her shootings...

I did not personally believe it meant what Ewen was saying, as far as I was concerned, it only tended to provide an explanation for how Sheila's blood may have got into the sound moderator, and more crucially, it provided a basis for undermining the evidence given during the trial by the prosecutions ballistic expert, who stated that there had only been one opportunity for Sheila's blood to get into the sound moderator, and that was at the time she was fatally shot beneath the chin, which caused death immediately, and that somebody else must have removed the sound moderator and hidden it away after Sheila was already dead...

This led us to look into the possibility of a delay between the infliction of both shots to Sheila's throat...

We found evidence in the form of logs, to suggest that at one stage, police had got Sheila as having been found dead, downstairs in the kitchen (7.37am / 7.38am), a request sent out from the scene at 7.42am, for the police surgeon and coroners officer to be notified regarding two bodies, followed by "Linda" in the control room contacting SOC at home asking them to come on duty because police at whf were dealing with a murder and a suicide (7.45am)...

Of course, we now know that Sheila had blood stains on the soles of her feet, consistent with her having walked around after other victims had been shot...

Personally,I'm more inclined to believe that a silencer WAS found at the scene (SBJ1), and that the silencer with the alleged blood found in it was contaminated....purposely or accidently.

[susan]

Patti when Mason Doyle's book is published I am sure all will be revealed and explained.  Hang in go and have a wee drink of wine or cooking sherry

[grahameb]

Me too Alias....I don't know what to believe anymore. I think I will go and lay down and think about this.  No expert has provided us with any evidence to support that a silencer was used on Sheila and the mark could have easily come from the entry and not the silencer at all.....

In my humble opinion the silencer was and still is a red herring. There was not silencer used in any of the killings. There quite simply was no need to whether it was Jeremy or Sheila. I think she knew more about guns than is made out to be? She was a farm girl all her young life. I have lived in Maldon and the surrounding countryside since the early 60's and I have yet to see anyone who was brought up on a farm who does not know something about guns.

[Patti]

Patti when Mason Doyle's book is published I am sure all will be revealed and explained.  Hang in go and have a wee drink of wine or cooking sherry

LOL.........I have some cider vinegar, will that blow me head off 

[lookout]

Those are my views too,tyler. Contamination because of the many times the damn thing changed hands.
Contamination everywhere after 40 officers trampled around the place,,even using the phone. What a joke.

[grahameb]

Personally,I'm more inclined to believe that a silencer WAS found at the scene (SBJ1), and that the silencer with the alleged blood found in it was contaminated....purposely or accidently.

If it was found Tyler I am inclined to believe that it was animal blood as the hair that was allegedly attached to it was probably a rabbit hair?

[Patti]

In my humble opinion the silencer was and still is a red herring. There was not silencer used in any of the killings. There quite simply was no need to whether it was Jeremy or Sheila. I think she knew more about guns than is made out to be? She was a farm girl all her young life. I have lived in Maldon and the surrounding countryside since the early 60's and I have yet to see anyone who was brought up on a farm who does not know something about guns.

I can go with that Grahame, well said. 

[susan]

Grahame/Patti I am with you both as usual

[killingeve]

See 18 mins in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Are we saying there's no merit in any of this now?  Have the follow up tests been carried out? 

[mike tesko]

In my opinion, if a sound moderator was used for the first shot and no sound moderator for the second, then I have to change sides to the guilty camp.

Hi Alias,

this was the approach taken by Ewen Smith back at the beginning of 2004, but I think it was a hasty decision, and one which needed more consideration, particularly if two or more guns had been used in the shootings, and police had been responsible for tampering with the bullets and bullet cases in order to make this into a one gun crime...

It was not a one gun crime, three different weapons were involved in the shootings, which changes everything. If this was a case where both of the bullets which wounded and killed Sheila had been fired from the same gun, I admit it would be difficult for anyone to favour Jeremy's innocence, on the basis that there had been a sound moderator fitted at the time of the first non fatal shot, but an absence of a sound moderator when she was killed by the shot under the chin. Particularly, if you accept the prosecution argument that both shots had been inflicted with little or no time at all between both shots, and that she was either laid down or sat slightly upright when shot, with no opportunity for Sheila to have walked around at all, not even for a little bit...

Of course, we know now that she had been walking around in other victims blood after they had already been shot, and that police officers responsible for bagging up her feet at the scene falsely stated that her feet were spotlessly clean  you cannot say Bamber is guilty just because a sound moderator may have been used when she was shot once, but absent when the second shot was fired, unless you are convinced of it being a one gun crime. In my view, everything points to these killings being carried out by use of two guns or more, something which the police are desperately trying not to have to admit too, but it's true, at least three different guns were used in these shootings, and police are responsible for tampering with the ballistic evidence to get the conviction they got...

[grahameb]

See 18 mins in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i2CjYDJGTo&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Are we saying there's no merit in any of this now?  Have the follow up tests been carried out?

Unfortunately those tests were all based upon  the theory that it was the gun barrel that was used to make the burn marks on Ralph's back.

[susan]

Patti try it and see best mix a little sugar with it to make it forment and you could go into orbit Bye Bye Patti nice knowing you

[killingeve]

If it was found Tyler I am inclined to believe that it was animal blood as the hair that was allegedly attached to it was probably a rabbit hair?

Do animals share the same readings as follows?

                                ABO                    PGM                    EAP                     AK                    Hp

Nevill Bamber           O                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                   Hp2-1
June Bamber            A                         PGM1+                EAP BA               AK2-1                Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell            O                        PGM2+1+            EAP B                 AK1                   Hp2
Nicholas Caffell         O                        PGM2+1+           EAP B                 AK1                    Hp2
Sheila Caffell            A                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                    Hp2-1
Blood Sample           A                        Nil                        EAP BA              AK1                    Hp2-1

The hair COULD have been caused by contamination eg sweep of carpet with sticky tape.  Or a combe.  Oh perish the thought did I really think/say such a thing  . Seems most remarkable that there was no skin tissue present, normally associated with backspatter, and yet a hair was attached 

[Alias]

Hi Alias,

this was the approach taken by Ewen Smith back at the beginning of 2004, but I think it was a hasty decision, and one which needed more consideration, particularly if two or more guns had been used in the shootings, and police had been responsible for tampering with the bullets and bullet cases in order to make this into a one gun crime...

It was not a one gun crime, three different weapons were involved in the shootings, which changes everything. If this was a case where both of the bullets which wounded and killed Sheila had been fired from the same gun, I admit it would be difficult for anyone to favour Jeremy's innocence, on the basis that there had been a sound moderator fitted at the time of the first non fatal shot, but an absence of a sound moderator when she was killed by the shot under the chin. Particularly, if you accept the prosecution argument that both shots had been inflicted with little or no time at all between both shots, and that she was either laid down or sat slightly upright when shot, with no opportunity for Sheila to have walked around at all, not even for a little bit...

Of course, we know now that she had been walking around in other victims blood after they had already been shot, and that police officers responsible for bagging up her feet at the scene falsely stated that her feet were spotlessly clean  you cannot say Bamber is guilty just because a sound moderator may have been used when she was shot once, but absent when the second shot was fired, unless you are convinced of it being a one gun crime. In my view, everything points to these killings being carried out by use of two guns or more, something which the police are desperately trying not to have to admit too, but it's true, at least three different guns were used in these shootings, and police are responsible for tampering with the ballistic evidence to get the conviction they got...

Hi Mike, thanks for your lengthy answer. It is my personal opinion that Sheila did not walk around after she was shot the first time. I am not saying it is impossible that people do that, because it DOES happen! BUT, I cannot see any blood pattern down Sheila´s nightgown from her walking around - even if holding her hand/arm up to the wound (as I am convinced she did between shots - that I interpret from the bloodpatterns on her right arm). I just cannot see this at all.

[killingeve]

Unfortunately those tests were all based upon  the theory that it was the gun barrel that was used to make the burn marks on Ralph's back.

Yes so no silencer attached or am I missing the point?