I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[Alias]

Hi Alias

What do you think the mark is around her wound? I thought it was residue 

If that is a silencer mark then Jeremy is guilty surely. I don't and wont believe she shot her self in the kitchen, put the silencer away then managed to get upstairs, take a shower and then shot herself again....I can't go with that...Oh bloody hell!!!! 

Neither can I.
I cannot determine whether it is a mark from the silencer or not, just can´t tell from this photo.

[Patti]

Neither can I.
I cannot determine whether it is a mark from the silencer or not, just can´t tell from this photo.

You would have thought the CPS would have noticed this and used it in court.  I think you are right, one cannot determine what the mark is....

[Alias]

I don't wish to sound deliberately contrary but what evidence might have been destroyed that could have assisted JB?  Much evidence eg carpets were destroyed when EP thought the case was 4 murders/1 suicide. 

As seen at the '02 appeal use of DNA (not available in '85/'86) would be difficult to apply and draw anything meaningful from as I don't think it would be possible to eliminate contamination 

The victims´ clothes for one. It would be highly interesting to examine Sheila´s nightgown. Was Jeremy´s DNA on June, Sheila and/or Nevill, with whom he allegedly fought in close combat?
Just from the top of my head. Why would they destroy such items?

[Patti]

I don't wish to sound deliberately contrary but what evidence might have been destroyed that could have assisted JB?  Much evidence eg carpets were destroyed when EP thought the case was 4 murders/1 suicide. 

As seen at the '02 appeal use of DNA (not available in '85/'86) would be difficult to apply and draw anything meaningful from as I don't think it would be possible to eliminate contamination 

Their clothing NN....for hairs, fibers and DNA.....It would tell us a great deal about who was where and who was with who at the time of the shooting....

[Patti]

The victims´ clothes for one. It would be highly interesting to examine Sheila´s nightgown. Was Jeremy´s DNA on June, Sheila and/or Nevill, with whom he allegedly fought in close combat?
Just from the top of my head. Why would they destroy such items?

hahahaha Snap Alias 

[killingeve]

Alias/Patti

Still not sure it would be possible to eliminate contamination.  EP would know that the storage of exhibits would not meet the strict criteria required to draw anything meaningful?   . I believe the jurors handled the nightwear albeit they were told to wear protective gloves along with items JB had handled ? 

[Alias]

hahahaha Snap Alias 

 
The whole thing is a big mess, can´t believe you have a lifer with such a shaky and bungled inversigation in EVERY aspect. Just unbelievable!

[grahameb]

Grahame I thought they were quick to destroy evidence and I cannot understand the reason for this as they had so little evidence and if Jeremy had won an Appeal and the silencer evidence challenged EP may have got something else to convict Jeremy of the murders.  Very bizarre indeed one would think they were trying to cover something up. Surely not.

I suspect some little Hitler at the top of the pile authorised it?

[Alias]

Alias/Patti

Still not sure it would be possible to eliminate contamination.  EP would know that the storage of exhibits would not meet the strict criteria required to draw anything meaningful?   . I believe the jurors handled the nightwear albeit they were told to wear protective gloves along with items JB had handled ? 

The EP must have thought there was something there that would reveil something, why else destroy it, when they had strict instructions NOT to?
DNA, blood patterns, tranferred hairs, skincells, they all tell a "story".

[Patti]

Alias/Patti

Still not sure it would be possible to eliminate contamination.  EP would know that the storage of exhibits would not meet the strict criteria required to draw anything meaningful?   . I believe the jurors handled the nightwear albeit they were told to wear protective gloves along with items JB had handled ? 

I'm not sure how exhibits are stored. I would think all exhibits are stored in a correct way as to not contaminate in there relevant packaging.  I wouldn't think that all the nightware would have all been stored in one bag....

They would use a different method of DNA profiling and probably not the LCN... I'm not sure the jurors did handle the exhibits without them being protected?  Maybe NGB can tell us....

If exhibits are not stored correctly then what happens in a cold case?   

[Patti]

The EP must have thought there was something there that would reveil something, why else destroy it, when they had strict instructions NOT to?
DNA, blood patterns, tranferred hairs, skincells, they all tell a "story".

That they do Alias....

[grahameb]

I don't wish to sound deliberately contrary but what evidence might have been destroyed that could have assisted JB?  Much evidence eg carpets were destroyed when EP thought the case was 4 murders/1 suicide. 

As seen at the '02 appeal use of DNA (not available in '85/'86) would be difficult to apply and draw anything meaningful from as I don't think it would be possible to eliminate contamination 

I agree. Anything that old can be contaminated in many ways after so many years. Also I believe that it was originaly contaminated because of the many hands it passed through?

[grahameb]

Neither can I.
I cannot determine whether it is a mark from the silencer or not, just can´t tell from this photo.

Unfortunately both the letter and the photo cannot be proved to be anything connected with Sheila at all. They both could have been forged by Mike? Heaven forbid. But that will probably be the stance of the opposition?

[tyler]

Unfortunately both the letter and the photo cannot be proved to be anything connected with Sheila at all. They both could have been forged by Mike? Heaven forbid. But that will probably be the stance of the opposition?

I think it the mark looks to wide to have been caused by a silencer? Possibly an abrasion ring due to the wound having been contact or near contact? If any expert believed this to have been a silencer mark,surely this would have been raised in court? Instead,none of them could assertain whether a silencer had been used or not in the murders,hence the prosecutions reliance on the blood from inside the silencer.

[killingeve]

I'm not sure how exhibits are stored. I would think all exhibits are stored in a correct way as to not contaminate in there relevant packaging.  I wouldn't think that all the nightware would have all been stored in one bag....

They would use a different method of DNA profiling and probably not the LCN... I'm not sure the jurors did handle the exhibits without them being protected?  Maybe NGB can tell us....

If exhibits are not stored correctly then what happens in a cold case?   

Hi Patti

See your post #178.  LCN DNA was not even envisaged '85/'86 so the necessary precautions to prevent contamination would not have been taken.

Jurors were told to wear gloves but I believe this was for their own protection rather than protection of exhibits.

Maybe there are less sensitive ways of DNA profiling than LCN which might yield results.  I believe LCN was used with silencer as the blood had been swabbed to death in '85/'86 for standard blood groupings.

Just think even if EP hadn't destroyed other exhibits defence and prosecution would have claimed contamination.