I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[grahameb]

I found this thread from long ago about the panic alarm. Thought perhaps members might be nterested?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,878.msg25650.html#msg25650

[Patti]

I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more spin off's about this case than I've had hot dinners. 

I am in the belief that there is and was no panic button fitted in WHF at all and its an untruth. I also think the time of all the calls cannot be proved one way or the other.  I except like the COA said the time was more likely to have been made at 3:26 and Bonnet had placed the call when it finished rather than when it was started and this could have easily been the case.  I can't understand why spokes are being thrown into this case.  The burglar alarm was fitted at 3:15 on the 7th August......

Not in one statement or document that have I seen mentions panic button.  I think its time to get rid of the myths and tell the truth....

[vidvic]

I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more spin off's about this case than I've had hot dinners. 

I am in the belief that there is and was no panic button fitted in WHF at all and its an untruth. I also think the time of all the calls cannot be proved one way or the other.  I except like the COA said the time was more likely to have been made at 3:26 and Bonnet had placed the call when it finished rather than when it was started and this could have easily been the case.  I can't understand why spokes are being thrown into this case.  The burglar alarm was fitted at 3:15 on the 7th August......

Not in one statement or document that have I seen mentions panic button.  I think its time to get rid of the myths and tell the truth....

There are two types of forum members Patti, on both sides. Those interested in finding out the precise events of that night and those making things fit to further their chosen 'side'. There is a massive difference between the two.

[Patti]

There are two types of forum members Patti, on both sides. Those interested in finding out the precise events of that night and those making things fit to further their chosen 'side'. There is a massive difference between the two.

Hi Vic  

Nice to see you back causing bother lol 

The trouble is no one really knows what happened inside that farmhouse that night and I doubt anyone will ever discover the whole truth.  As it stands Jeremy is convicted of the murders, but I have serious  doubts that he pulled the trigger that night.  I also have doubts that Sheila did....The truth is important because if Jeremy is not guilty then its the biggest mistake that our judicial system has ever made.

The only evidence stacked up against Jeremy is the silencer and some of that evidence has holds serious doubts and its too complex to give an honest answer as to whose DNA was in the silencer when it was last tested....The COA excepted it might not be Sheila's DNA...but from a mixture its difficult to tell whose DNA it was....It was argued that it was June's DNA and DNA from and unidentified male. 

Having read that LCN DNA needs to meet 36 strands only 17 markers out of 20 so the DNA was not unique at all.....the complexity makes it impossible to say that the DNA belonged to June....You all might think I am talking out of my head, but believe me I'm not.....

[maggie]

I'm coming to the conclusion that there is more spin off's about this case than I've had hot dinners. 
I am in the belief that there is and was no panic button fitted in WHF at all and its an untruth. I also think the time of all the calls cannot be proved one way or the other.  I except like the COA said the time was more likely to have been made at 3:26 and Bonnet had placed the call when it finished rather than when it was started and this could have easily been the case.  I can't understand why spokes are being thrown into this case.  The burglar alarm was fitted at 3:15 on the 7th August......
Not in one statement or document that have I seen mentions panic button I think its time to get
rid of the myths and tell the truth....

Thought that myth had been busted Patti, can't believe it's back.

[Patti]

Thought that myth had been busted Patti, can't believe it's back.

Me neither 

[maggie]

I found this thread from long ago about the panic alarm. Thought perhaps members might be nterested?
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,878.msg25650.html#msg25650

Interesting post and thread Grahame. Seems there's always been confusion over the Panic Button/Burglar alarm til Vic stated categorically that there was no alarm of any kind fitted til after the murders when the burglar alarm was fitted.

[vidvic]

Hi Vic  

Nice to see you back causing bother lol 

The trouble is no one really knows what happened inside that farmhouse that night and I doubt anyone will ever discover the whole truth.  As it stands Jeremy is convicted of the murders, but I have serious  doubts that he pulled the trigger that night.  I also have doubts that Sheila did....The truth is important because if Jeremy is not guilty then its the biggest mistake that our judicial system has ever made.

The only evidence stacked up against Jeremy is the silencer and some of that evidence has holds serious doubts and its too complex to give an honest answer as to whose DNA was in the silencer when it was last tested....The COA excepted it might not be Sheila's DNA...but from a mixture its difficult to tell whose DNA it was....It was argued that it was June's DNA and DNA from and unidentified male. 

Having read that LCN DNA needs to meet 36 strands only 17 markers out of 20 so the DNA was not unique at all.....the complexity makes it impossible to say that the DNA belonged to June....You all might think I am talking out of my head, but believe me I'm not.....

I am no expert in DNA but this is how the findings for the 2002 were explained to me at the time.

Pam gave DNA as June's sister. The DNA found in the silencer was of sufficient a match as would be expected of ones sister and an extremely high probability that it was June's. I believe a statistic was given, which I'm sure is in the judgement, but all agreed that it WAS June's DNA in the silencer.

The match to Sheila's was statistically much lower. It was above average but not enough to say with any certainty. When the expert said that in her opinion there was a GOOD chance it WAS Sheila's, if I remember correctly, she was admonished by one of the judges as going too far....( I think I remeber it being a 'she' but again I could be mistaken.)

As for the evidence, I do not believe that the silencer is the only thing that convicted him.

The whole phone call scenario is vitally important and if Bamber is innocent then he is the unluckiest man that ever lived.

[susan]

Morning Maggie

Don't forget Vic stated on this forum that the panic button was in situ before the murders and was quite adamant in this with Caroline who disagreed with him.  He then was gracious enough to tell us he was mistaken and the panic button was installed after the murders.  Maybe he is mistaken over other matters he posts and he seems very unsure about the DNA in the silencer as he states "if I remember correctly" I feel we are all entitled to what our own truth is including Mike.

[susan]

Morning Patti  hope you have not landed up in Halifax with the strong winds I agree the panic button issue has been resolved and we should now forget about it

[susan]

Vic who was wrong don't understand your post on the clock issue.

[susan]

Vic Jeremy's plan with regard to placing himself away from the scene did not work very well.  He would have been better going to his bed and staying there but taking the silencer with him and not telling Julie of his plans then dumping her not a very clever thing to do.  What forensic evidence linked him to the scene or the bike he used to transport him between his home and the farm and back.  From what little I have read I have so far not read anything that would ever convince me of his guilt the Trial was a total shambles and the least he is owed is a new Trial with it presented to the Jury as it was not as they wanted it to be. You accuse posters who think Jeremy innocent of twisting the facts this could be the case but it is also the case of the Jeremy guilty posters.

[maggie]

Morning Maggie
Don't forget Vic stated on this forum that the panic button was in situ before the murders and was quite adamant in this with Caroline who disagreed with him.  He then was gracious enough to tell us he was mistaken and the panic button was installed after the murders.  Maybe he is mistaken over other matters he posts and he seems very unsure about the DNA in the silencer as he states "if I remember correctly" I feel we are all entitled to what our own truth is including Mike.

I have not forgotten susie and agree with you we are all entitled to our own opinions. My problem with the two phone calls is that as 'evidence' the wording is too ambiguous to prove one way or the other whether there were 2 phone calls or not imo

[mike tesko]

In due course, I will be posting the evidence relating to the threats to kill Ralph Bamber and his family (currently in my possession), including witness statements from other Maldon magistrates about the reasons why Ralph took compassionate leave, and police concerns about the safety of Ralph and his immediate family at whf. For anyone to believe that the police did not take the appropriate steps to look after the Bamber clan from this time onward would be insane, in my opinion, and since there was a family protection program in place, it must surely follow that as part of that program a panic button was fitted at the scene, and in operation at the time of the shootings. The information I have got shows that the panic button was located in the left hand  side (as viewed from the foot of the bed) bedside cabinet, or in other words, the side of the bed where Ralph Bamber normally slept. Other people have previously suggested that the panic button was located downstairs in the region of the main kitchen, at one stage I myself had been under the impression that it could have been fitted there, but it has been confirmed to me that it was located in Ralph Bambers bedside cabinet...

With this being the case, it becomes possible to fathom out the potential sequence which led up to its activation at 3.29am...

I can give further details if anyone is remotely interested...

[susan]

Hi Maggie  I have not got a clue about the phone calls thus the reason why I avoid discussing it I just read and try and learn