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Offline mike tesko

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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #120 on: October 26, 2013, 08:58:PM »
And further....

27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.

Yes, you have hit the nail on the head by posting this extract, bang on, because until very recently nobody picked up on the fact the the line at whf had been checked by the GPO 48 minutes earlier, and it was felt necessary to record at that earlier time (3.42am) that the phone had been left off the hook - the only way that could have been established at that early stage (3.42am) was if the panic alarm had been activated without the need or requirement to lift the handset, hence at 3.42am when the GPO checked the line it was possible to tell by voltage in the line, to determine that the phone was currently off the hook, not sat in its cradle, and that the transition in voltage from one state to another, helped to establish that there was somebody alive inside the farmhouse after 3.29am...
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« Reply #121 on: October 26, 2013, 09:02:PM »
Yes, you have hit the nail on the head by posting this extract, bang on, because until very recently nobody picked up on the fact the the line at whf had been checked by the GPO 48 minutes earlier, and it was felt necessary to record at that earlier time (3.42am) that the phone had been left off the hook - the only way that could have been established at that early stage (3.42am) was if the panic alarm had been activated without the need or requirement to lift the handset, hence at 3.42am when the GPO checked the line it was possible to tell by voltage in the line, to determine that the phone was currently off the hook, not sat in its cradle, and that the transition in voltage from one state to another, helped to establish that there was somebody alive inside the farmhouse after 3.29am...

I'm sorry mike but this is absolute cobblers. Where is there any evidence whatsoever of a "change of voltage on the line at 3.42"?
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« Reply #122 on: October 26, 2013, 09:08:PM »
I'm sorry mike but this is absolute cobblers. Where is there any evidence whatsoever of a "change of voltage on the line at 3.42"?

It also says 04.13 INFORMANT at scene. Not one of informantS, or son of informant or 2nd informant.....
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« Reply #123 on: October 26, 2013, 09:11:PM »
Why did bamber lie in court about calling Julie after the police, having admitted to you that it was, as the prosecution rightly showed, BEFORE he called police? Why was that mike?
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« Reply #124 on: October 26, 2013, 09:13:PM »
Where exactly ARE the itemised billings you claim to have from a telephone line physically incapable of giving that information? Why have you not produced it?
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #125 on: October 26, 2013, 09:15:PM »
I'm sorry mike but this is absolute cobblers. Where is there any evidence whatsoever of a "change of voltage on the line at 3.42"?

Don't be sorry, Vidvic, it's standard knowledge that the GPO used to test phone lines using voltage readings, and that by adopting this approach they could detect faults, or if the phone was off the hook, or not - this was how the GPO knew that someone had left the phone off the hook by 3.42am, after the handset had previously been resting in its cradle when the panic button was activated at 3.29am, it all boiled down to voltage when the line was tested, the voltage being different in the line when the panic button was activated with the handset resting in its cradle, as opposed to a reduction in the voltage when the line was checked by the GPO at 3.42am, phone off the hook...

There is no need to apologize, you obviously were not aware of the equipment and technology available to the GPO to test phone connections and telephone lines, as was the case in this instance
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« Reply #126 on: October 26, 2013, 09:21:PM »
What panic alarm? Prove it existed?

I have a complete confession from bamber, he sent it to Ann eaton last year. I've left it on a hard drive somewhere, I'm sure you all believe me... Don't you??!!
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« Reply #127 on: October 26, 2013, 09:31:PM »
Why would Nevill call the police at 3.26 and THEN activate a panic alarm, knowing the police were on their way?
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« Reply #128 on: October 26, 2013, 09:34:PM »
Why would Nevill call the police at 3.26 and THEN activate a panic alarm, knowing the police were on their way?

That is a good question.  8)

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« Reply #129 on: October 26, 2013, 10:06:PM »
I thought that he arrived at WHF at 3.50 and was passed on the Tollesbury road doing 25-30mph?
In my opinion, impossible to be on the phone at time Mike claims and still make it to the farm at 3.50, driving at 30mph or less. Also, in my opinion, not the actions of a man 'rushing' to the aid of his father.
That's what I thought. But now you've thrown a spanner in the works by saying "he was passed by police at 3.48 in the lane running towards the farm"?

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« Reply #130 on: October 26, 2013, 10:21:PM »
That's what I thought. But now you've thrown a spanner in the works by saying "he was passed by police at 3.48 in the lane running towards the farm"?

I should have been clearer Grahame, sorry. I meant tollesbury road.
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« Reply #131 on: October 26, 2013, 10:34:PM »
Didn't JB make two calls to the Police though? He called Witham first and received no answer. He may have then called JM and then Chelmsford. This may be where the confusion is?

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« Reply #132 on: October 26, 2013, 10:36:PM »
And West was quite sure in his court evidence that the Police station clock was showing the correct time.

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« Reply #133 on: October 26, 2013, 10:44:PM »
Didn't JB make two calls to the Police though? He called Witham first and received no answer. He may have then called JM and then Chelmsford. This may be where the confusion is?

Obviously from my point of view I don't believe a word of it, I find the whole scenario farcical, but the only person that truly knows the sequence is Bamber. He used the phone book to look up the numbers for witham and then Chelmsford. I'm told the prosecution held up a copy of it and along the top it said in big bold letters, "in emergency call 999."
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« Reply #134 on: October 26, 2013, 10:46:PM »
And West was quite sure in his court evidence that the Police station clock was showing the correct time.

Yes, I completely agree. He is quite clear that the clock was right, he was wrong.
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