I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...

[mike tesko]

Mike I am getting confused it was said at trial and in the appeals that it was excepted that Jeremy made his call at 3:26 A car was called out at 3:35 and according to the IR the raid team got a message at 3:33....therefore its impossible that Jeremy called at 3:36.....

The timings were played around with by police and the prosecuting authorities, to mislead people into thinking there was a problem of timings involving only one call, when all along, there were two different ones. An example of this, became self evident at the 2002 appeal when the judges in their judgment mentioned the anomaly surrounding the timing of 3.35am when the occupants of CA07 were dispatched to the scene, a minute before Jeremy alerted police to events at whf during his call at 3.36am...

[vidvic]

The timings were played around with by police and the prosecuting authorities, to mislead people into thinking there was a problem of timings involving only one call, when all along, there were two different ones. An example of this, became self evident at the 2002 appeal when the judges in their judgment mentioned the anomaly surrounding the timing of 3.35am when the occupants of CA07 were dispatched to the scene, a minute before Jeremy alerted police to events at whf during his call at 3.36am...

The other way around. They pointed to the 3.35 call out as evidence that the call must have been prior to 3.36. You're playing with the facts.

[mike tesko]

The reason the defence said what they said about the timing of Jeremy's call to police, is because they were being misled into believing there had only ever been just the one call, not two different ones - the police and prosecuting authorities played around with the times of both calls, attempting to merge both into the same one...

But, if the contents of both logs had been made available, side by side, there is no way any defence counsel, would accept that both of these logs related to the self same telephone call, and in my opinion, no jury would have been persuaded to accept that these were records of the same call...

[mike tesko]

Jeremy did not know the exact timing he made the call to police, even though he did make such a call. Likewise, he did not know the time he arrived at the scene - this became self-evident to me whilst I spent a year or so talking to him about his case, whilst both of us were incarcerated on B wing at HMP Full Sutton, 1989 to 1990. I do not see how all these years later, that Jeremy can remember exactly the timings, of calls he made, on the night in question. He is basing the timings of calls based upon information provided by police in various records, which cannot all be accurate, because there are so many conflicting accounts in so far as timing of events are concerned...

[vidvic]

Jeremy did not know the exact timing he made the call to police, even though he did make such a call. Likewise, he did not know the time he arrived at the scene - this became self-evident to me whilst I spent a year or so talking to him about his case, whilst both of us were incarcerated on B wing at HMP Full Sutton, 1989 to 1990. I do not see how all these years later, that Jeremy can remember exactly the timings, of calls he made, on the night in question. He is basing the timings of calls based upon information provided by police in various records, which cannot all be accurate, because there are so many conflicting accounts in so far as timing of events are concerned...

From appeal judgement....

7. The police were first alerted that something out of the ordinary had occurred when they received a telephone call from the appellant. The call was logged at 3.36 a.m. but there was evidence that made clear that it must have been at least 10 minutes earlier. The caller was the appellant and having given his name and address he said:

[vidvic]

And further....

26. PC West recorded the time of the appellant's call as 3.36 a.m. At trial it was accepted that the officer had misread a digital clock. The officer's contact with Mr Bonnett was recorded as being at 3.26 a.m. and it seems clear that the appellant's call must have been at 3.26 a.m. or very shortly before.

27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.

[vidvic]

Jeremy did not know the exact timing he made the call to police, even though he did make such a call. Likewise, he did not know the time he arrived at the scene - this became self-evident to me whilst I spent a year or so talking to him about his case, whilst both of us were incarcerated on B wing at HMP Full Sutton, 1989 to 1990. I do not see how all these years later, that Jeremy can remember exactly the timings, of calls he made, on the night in question. He is basing the timings of calls based upon information provided by police in various records, which cannot all be accurate, because there are so many conflicting accounts in so far as timing of events are concerned...

He never looked at his watch or a clock? Find that hard to believe. Also, when he was originally asked and right upto a couple of years ago he was quite insistant that the call from Nevill was at 3.10-3.15.  He also spent a great deal of time at trial convincing everyone that he called Julie AFTER he called police, but in prison, he admitted to you that this was a lie. Making you the first campaigner I've ever known to show the person they're campaigning for, to be a liar!

[lookout]

Because Jeremy wasn't precise over times,tells me that if he'd planned this tragedy,,he'd have had everything worked out to the second.

[mike tesko]

From appeal judgement....

7. The police were first alerted that something out of the ordinary had occurred when they received a telephone call from the appellant. The call was logged at 3.36 a.m. but there was evidence that made clear that it must have been at least 10 minutes earlier. The caller was the appellant and having given his name and address he said:

Somebody told lies about the timing of the call, and the clock being wrong by 10 minutes, it certainly wasn't PC West during his testimony, so where did the judges of appeal get their facts from?

[susan]

lookout my thoughts exactly if you plan to murder your entire family and you intend to give yourself an alibi (this never made sense to me) you would have the times worked out and would not be getting yourself in a state and mixing the times up.  Had Jeremy Bamber murdered his family why was it necessary to make this story up about phone calls just go home get cleaned up and wait to be told of the tragedy the phones calls did not give him an albi but helped to convict him

[vidvic]

Because Jeremy wasn't precise over times,tells me that if he'd planned this tragedy,,he'd have had everything worked out to the second.

Actually lookout, the opposite is true. Bamber WAS precise with times, it's his supporters that change them for him!

[mike tesko]

And further....

26. PC West recorded the time of the appellant's call as 3.36 a.m. At trial it was accepted that the officer had misread a digital clock. The officer's contact with Mr Bonnett was recorded as being at 3.26 a.m. and it seems clear that the appellant's call must have been at 3.26 a.m. or very shortly before.

27. At 3.35 a.m., Mr Bonnet arranged for a police car to go to White House Farm. A check made by a British Telecom operator of the telephone line to the farm was made at 4.30 a.m. The receiver was off the hook and all the operator could hear was the sound of a dog barking.

The judges of appeal misinterpreted what PC West had spoken about during his trial testimony, thus undermining the logic behind rejecting the appeal. It also becomes clear that according to the judgment (2002) that it was only the timing of the call which fell to be considered, not the contradictory nature of the content  of both phone logs (3.26am and 3.36am)...

[lookout]

Actually lookout, the opposite is true. Bamber WAS precise with times, it's his supporters that change them for him!

Vic,,it rather sounds like the police who fluffed on the times.The one being questioned clearly didn't know if he was coming or going,or if the clock was ever right. Very poor observations for a cop given the enormity of the tragedy.

[vidvic]

lookout my thoughts exactly if you plan to murder your entire family and you intend to give yourself an alibi (this never made sense to me) you would have the times worked out and would not be getting yourself in a state and mixing the times up.  Had Jeremy Bamber murdered his family why was it necessary to make this story up about phone calls just go home get cleaned up and wait to be told of the tragedy the phones calls did not give him an albi but helped to convict him

He had to 'place' himself away from the scene.

[vidvic]

Vic,,it rather sounds like the police who fluffed on the times.The one being questioned clearly didn't know if he was coming or going,or if the clock was ever right. Very poor observations for a cop given the enormity of the tragedy.

Nope I disagree. I think it's quite clear.