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« Reply #90 on: October 26, 2013, 06:53:PM »
At least it would warm up your toes Susie.  A novel experience for someone in the frozen North. ;D ;D
It seems very possible this may be the case.  She has never introduced herself which is a shame and am not sure who she has spoken to about the facts and many myths about the crime. ??? ??? ???





Maggie,,I'm not sure if it's her who's a friend of the relatives,,or Claire Powell,,but it's one of them,,and that being the case,,Carol Ann Lee is bound to write in the same biased style.

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« Reply #91 on: October 26, 2013, 06:55:PM »
Jeremy was told to speak to the police on arrival, not approach the farmhouse alone. We don't know his exact time of arrival as a logged time of 03:50 could be 03:50:05 or 03:50:55. Jeremy hasn't commented on his speed. The police considered he was driving relatively slowly as they passed him, but that's just an estimate by police in a car travelling at high speed, and Jeremy may have slowed to make it easier for their police car to pass his car. Jeremy could have averaged 25 mph and taken about 8 1/2 minutes in total, having departed at 3:42am. We know that is feasible as mike tesko has posted a video on youtube of himself driving the same journey in under 7 1/2 minutes, including a short stop while he talked to camera.

According to mike he was still on the phone at 3.42. That's my original point. His latest theory ( proported to be supported by mysterious informants ) is impossible and incidentally, according to bamber's legal team, not true!
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #92 on: October 26, 2013, 06:57:PM »




Maggie,,I'm not sure if it's her who's a friend of the relatives,,or Claire Powell,,but it's one of them,,and that being the case,,Carol Ann Lee is bound to write in the same biased style.
Haven't read Claire Powel's book,l lookout but have read enough of Steve's quotes to maybe leave it on the shelf.  ;)

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« Reply #93 on: October 26, 2013, 06:58:PM »
Hi lookout  don't think Carol Ann Lee is friendly with the relatives could be.  Maybe she has interviewed them for her wee book ;D

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« Reply #94 on: October 26, 2013, 07:04:PM »
I'll go further....bamber's legal team (and I have no idea how) published publicly that they had information that showed "irrefutably" that bamber was on the phone to the police at 3.26. At that time Tesko was closely involved in that circle and is fully aware of this. This was AFTER this 'log' was first published. The defence team under all 'leaders' have never tried to suggest a second phone call, because they themselves have had the proof that there was only the one call. Tesko claims that this 'log' is a new find, but that is also not the case and is quite clearly marked from the original trial.
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« Reply #95 on: October 26, 2013, 07:06:PM »
Maggie  I shall leave all the Bamber books on the shelf other than Mason Doyle's ;) ;) ;)  You do know Maggie I read the tea leaves ;D

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« Reply #96 on: October 26, 2013, 07:08:PM »




Maggie,,I'm not sure if it's her who's a friend of the relatives,,or Claire Powell,,but it's one of them,,and that being the case,,Carol Ann Lee is bound to write in the same biased style.

I don't believe either know the relatives and if a book concludes that bamber is guilty, does not make it biased!! Lol.
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« Reply #97 on: October 26, 2013, 07:09:PM »
Be patient and you will find out.

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« Reply #98 on: October 26, 2013, 07:14:PM »
I don't believe either know the relatives and if a book concludes that bamber is guilty, does not make it biased!! Lol.




It does if he isn't,Vic. It's tantamount to spreading gossip and lies,,like Amaral did in the McCann case,,as he convinced a lot of people that they were guilty of disposing of Madeleines' body.

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« Reply #99 on: October 26, 2013, 07:15:PM »
That isn't established. You posted just hours later, "Worse case scenario - there was overlap of the line in usage (a) to (c) and (b) to (c) whilst Jeremy was speaking to police from his cottage for a period between 3.36am and 3.42am, a total of 6 minutes", and the two logs don't prove that Jeremy was still on the telephone to Pc West after 3.42am, or that the telephone line at the farmhouse was checked by the operator while Jeremy's call to Pc West was still in progress.

Hi Reader,

If Jeremy's call to police took place at 3.36am, say it lasted 11 minutes, this would take the duration of his call to the point of termination as being 3.47am. Since the line from the scene (whf) was still in use and the GPO confirmed at 3.42am that the phone had been left off the hook, it must follow that there was overlap between Jeremy's call to police (3.36am to 3.47am), and the activation of the panic alarm from 3.29am to whenever, there must have been a period of overlap involving the line from Jeremy's cottage, and the open line from the scene (whf) between 3.36am and 3.42am, where police were dealing with the call from Jeremy, and the open line problem from the scene...

I describe the open line from the scene, (3.29am to 3.42am, and beyond) described as being problematic, because it was as a result of the panic alarm fitted at the scene being activated, but at some stage after this, someone at the scene, lifted the telephone handset thus creating an open line connection, and placed the handset onto the kitchen worktop, the latter was done at some stage between 3.29am and 3.42am...

Basically, what I am saying is that it would have been impossible for Jeremy Bamber, to be responsible for shooting and killing Ralph, for Jeremy to lift the telephone handset after the panic button was activated at 3.29am, for Jeremy to stage manage the scene as alleged by the prosecutions case at trial and since, then leave the crime scene without leaving any trace that he had been there at any stage of the shootings, got on June Bambers bicycle and ridden home to his cottage along the coastal footpath, in time for Jeremy to use the phone at his cottage, to make his call to police by 3.36am. It could not be done, not by Jeremy, not by anyone...

There was a basic difference between the call made by Ralph to police at 3.26am, and activation of the panic alarm at 3.29am, followed by someone at the scene lifting the telephone handset and leaving it off the hook whilst the alarm was still in  progress. It created a loop in the system that the police could not deal with themselves, and required them to seek the help of the GPO, which took place at around 3.42am. All of this is consistent with someone still being very much alive inside whf after 3.29am when the panic alarm was activated, and the telephone handset was lifted and left off the hook...

I understand that if someone had been using the phone when an attempt to activate the alarm was undertaken, it would have failed, because the successful activation of the alarm from the scene (whf) required  unrestricted use of the line. The alarm could not be successfully activated whilst the phone was in usage by someone at the scene - so police knew that after the panic alarm was activated that someone who was still alive inside the farmhouse lifted the phone and left it on the kitchen worktop, possibly in the mistaken belief that police would be able to eavesdrop on the developing situation...

« Last Edit: October 26, 2013, 07:24:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #100 on: October 26, 2013, 07:18:PM »
I'll go further....bamber's legal team (and I have no idea how) published publicly that they had information that showed "irrefutably" that bamber was on the phone to the police at 3.26. At that time Tesko was closely involved in that circle and is fully aware of this. This was AFTER this 'log' was first published. The defence team under all 'leaders' have never tried to suggest a second phone call, because they themselves have had the proof that there was only the one call. Tesko claims that this 'log' is a new find, but that is also not the case and is quite clearly marked from the original trial.
I agree the log is far from conclusive imo.

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« Reply #101 on: October 26, 2013, 07:33:PM »
There was definitely two different telephone calls, one from Ralph to police (3.26am), and the other from Jeremy to police (3.36am). Why are police refusing to release details hand written onto the reverse of the first page of Bonnets 3.26am, yet have disclosed photocopied handwritten notes on the reverse of PC Wests  page one phone log timed at 3.36am?

As soon as the contents on the reverse of page 1 of Bonnets log are made available, it will confirm there were two different calls made to police, one from Ralph, the other from Jeremy...
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« Reply #102 on: October 26, 2013, 07:39:PM »
There was definitely two different telephone calls, one from Ralph to police (3.26am), and the other from Jeremy to police (3.36am). Why are police refusing to release details hand written onto the reverse of the first page of Bonnets 3.26am, yet have disclosed photocopied handwritten notes on the reverse of PC Wests  page one phone log timed at 3.36am?

As soon as the contents on the reverse of page 1 of Bonnets log are made available, it will confirm there were two different calls made to police, one from Ralph, the other from Jeremy...

Mike I am getting confused it was said at trial and in the appeals that it was excepted that Jeremy made his call at 3:26 A car was called out at 3:35 and according to the IR the raid team got a message at 3:33....therefore its impossible that Jeremy called at 3:36..... :) :) :) :)

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Re: I have managed to retrieve some documents, from my 2004 drive...
« Reply #103 on: October 26, 2013, 07:55:PM »



It does if he isn't,Vic. It's tantamount to spreading gossip and lies,,like Amaral did in the McCann case,,as he convinced a lot of people that they were guilty of disposing of Madeleines' body.

Just like Tesko is about the mcCanns you mean?

Apparently maddie speaks to him from the clouds....
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« Reply #104 on: October 26, 2013, 07:59:PM »
Just like Tesko is about the mcCanns you mean?

Apparently maddie speaks to him from the clouds....




It's quite possible,Vic. I've never doubted the McCanns,,and I don't doubt Jeremy either. I'm not always led by what the majority have to say.