Are Steve_uk and starryian helping the police?
Consider this very good post from Lookout and Steve‘s typically evasive response to it.
Lookout
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg159635.html#msg159635“Steve,,,would you really argue against what the pathologist had stated,,,,,that Sheila had died at about 7am.? You see,,there was fresh " oxygenated " blood still pouring from her wound/s. Oxygenated being bright red as we know,,and not the black/brown hue that you'd get from someone having been dead for hours.”
Steve_uk
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3851.msg159641.html#msg159641“Can you post all these documents lookout, along with Sheila's £40,000 drug debts. As far as I was aware Sheila's body was moved if only to check for a pulse and it was then that the fresh plugs of blood occurred.”
He changes the subject. If the question of the pathologists evidence arises Steve will probably change the subject to that of Sheila’s medication or something else. Lookout hadn’t said anything in her post about Sheila’s drug debts. He sets things up for a dismissive comment. He thinks he’s talking down to people.
The expression “fresh plugs of blood” does not imply that the blood itself is fresh. Steve is deliberately confusing the issue. So sneaky!
Furthermore, there is actually no scientific basis for the theory that the pathologists had mistaken spilled old blood for fresh blood still flowing. As far as I know that amateurish notion came from Ian Stephens who I know is the writer of the article at the following site.
http://crimeheartsandcoronets.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/jeremy-bamber-guilty-as-charged.htmlHere is the relevant passage
“A consistent feature of objections to the Crown case is that they rest upon arguments from personal incredulity. Surely the blood on Sheila’s neck couldn’t look as “fresh” as it does in the photographs if she’d been dead for at least six hours?”
(The above statement is false. Professors Meloni and Cavalli support the view that the photograph shows fresh blood still flowing and they set a limit of two hours before the photograph was taken in estimating the time of death.)
“Well, yes, it could. Officers observed that wet blood had pooled in the crook of Sheila’s right arm. Congealed blood had also formed in the aperture of the lower neck wound. One possibility is that when Sheila was moved by officers at the scene, this plug became detached, and allowed blood accumulated within Sheila’s neck, viscous but not yet congealed, to run thickly beyond the entrance of the wound.”
Steve’s writing is remarkably similar in it’s aspect of tabloid style sneakiness to that of Ian Stephens. It is just as if he learned his trade by copying starryian. It is worth noting, however, that even Stephens himself only says “one possibility is that… this plug became detached.”
A while back, Steve tried to fool Roch when he said that “forensics” had come up with the theory. Roch caught him lying, so Steve tried something else-he said that the article in question was “by Police”. Well, if Stephens is working for the police that would be true. Perhaps Steve should elaborate.
Suggested by forensics
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2991.msg109095.html#msg109095Suggested by Police
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2991.msg109108.html#msg109108The truth is it was suggested by Ian Stephens, better known as starryian. So much for citations!
Incidentally, you will notice that the next post is by Moe Cassani, who I know is Ian Stephens. I did some checking. Harvey was right.
The one about the keyboard and the one about the night on the drink are used by starryian007 a lot in his YouTube comments.
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3004.msg111816.html#msg111816 And so, I believe, was Roch
http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2991.msg109106.html#msg109106
