She's got the gun

[susan]

Hello april dear

I keep bringing up Theresa Riggi but here we have a beautiful intelligent Opera singer who was estranged from her husband he was living in Aberdeen her in Edinburgh.  The children visited him but lived with her.  She thought he was going to fight her for custody and take her three lovely children away.  Then right out of the blue she stabbed all three of them and tried to kill herself as she thought she was keeping them from evil i.e. their Father.  In her own tormented mind she loved her children so much she was keeping them safe.  Had her husband thought for one minute she was capable of hurting his children he would not have let her take them back from Aberdeen.  She wanted to die and be with her children and was on suicide watch in a secure unit.  Very very sad as those children would have suffered an horrific death.    I suppose the point I am trying to make murders of this type are not forseen by others.

[big-goolies]

Nickos,,then why,after 27 years,is Jeremy still protesting his innocence ? He'd have given before 5 years  into his sentence and would probably have topped himself at the prospect of never coming out of prison.

 
27 years of protesting doesnt make one innocent

[Jane]

Hello april dear

I keep bringing up Theresa Riggi but here we have a beautiful intelligent Opera singer who was estranged from her husband he was living in Aberdeen her in Edinburgh.  The children visited him but lived with her.  She thought he was going to fight her for custody and take her three lovely children away.  Then right out of the blue she stabbed all three of them and tried to kill herself as she thought she was keeping them from evil i.e. their Father.  In her own tormented mind she loved her children so much she was keeping them safe.  Had her husband thought for one minute she was capable of hurting his children he would not have let her take them back from Aberdeen.  She wanted to die and be with her children and was on suicide watch in a secure unit.  Very very sad as those children would have suffered an horrific death.    I suppose the point I am trying to make murders of this type are not forseen by others.

Susan HI. I can see a distinct parallel here. Theresa Riggi imagined she was going to lose her children. Supposing it was suggested, during a family discussion regarding Colin's new relationship, that Colin may wish to have the children permanently OR it was suggested that Sheila took a "holiday" from the children. Suppose, in her fragile mental state she saw it as a conspiracy to seperate her from them. Theresa killed her children to prevent them from being taken from her. Along these lines, it's possible that Sheila did the same, killing her parents, also, for what she believed was their part in the conspiracy.

[lookout]

 
27 years of protesting doesnt make one innocent

That's what you think,BG.

[Steve_uk]

Nickos,,then why,after 27 years,is Jeremy still protesting his innocence ? He'd have given before 5 years  into his sentence and would probably have topped himself at the prospect of never coming out of prison.

Lookout there was a stabbing only the other week of a Long Sutton inmate which seems to have been covered up. Jeremy wouldn't last a week if he admitted to being a double childkiller;in addition we know from his character he liked to be the centre of attention and he certainly is that as long as he can be perceived by some as a victim of a miscarriage of justice.

The only way you're going to get him to confess is to build a new state of the art prison facility on a Scottish island and allow some of these lifers,rapists and nonces who can never be released back into society but who could be extricated from the pressure cooker environment they live in currently. Only then can true rehabilitation take place as well as the punishment of losing their liberty in the first place.

[lookout]

Lookout there was a stabbing only the other week of a Long Sutton inmate which seems to have been covered up. Jeremy wouldn't last a week if he admitted to being a double childkiller;in addition we know from his character he liked to be the centre of attention and he certainly is that as long as he can be perceived by some as a victim of a miscarriage of justice.

The only way you're going to get him to confess is to build a new state of the art prison facility on a Scottish island and allow some of these lifers,rapists and nonces who can never be released back into society but who could be extricated from the pressure cooker environment they live in currently. Only then can true rehabilitation take place as well as the punishment of losing their liberty in the first place.

Steve,,,even if inmates or some prison officers were 100% certain that a prisoner has killed children,,,I'm sure that some attempt would have been taken on his life,,particularly those who have nothing to lose,,,of which there must be a few.

[Lugg]

Lookout there was a stabbing only the other week of a Long Sutton inmate which seems to have been covered up. Jeremy wouldn't last a week if he admitted to being a double childkiller;in addition we know from his character he liked to be the centre of attention and he certainly is that as long as he can be perceived by some as a victim of a miscarriage of justice.

The only way you're going to get him to confess is to build a new state of the art prison facility on a Scottish island and allow some of these lifers,rapists and nonces who can never be released back into society but who could be extricated from the pressure cooker environment they live in currently. Only then can true rehabilitation take place as well as the punishment of losing their liberty in the first place.

He wouldn't have to admit it. The other prisoners don't like child murderers and they would have to move him for his own safety. The plain facts are the other prisoners don't think he is guilty.

[Steve_uk]

He wouldn't have to admit it. The other prisoners don't like child murderers and they would have to move him for his own safety. The plain facts are the other prisoners don't think he is guilty.

It's too much of a risk to take.

[shonapugs]

He wouldn't have to admit it. The other prisoners don't like child murderers and they would have to move him for his own safety. The plain facts are the other prisoners don't think he is guilty.

Good evening, Grahame. I come bearing gifts, honestly!! Can I ask how the other prisoners know that he's innocent?

[Caroline R]

Good evening, Grahame. I come bearing gifts, honestly!! Can I ask how the other prisoners know that he's innocent?

I suspect some do (hence the knife attack) and some don't.

[Lugg]

Good evening, Grahame. I come bearing gifts, honestly!! Can I ask how the other prisoners know that he's innocent?

Shona, quite often prisoners know things that the screws don't. Believe me if they thought he was guilty they would kill him. If you will believe it sometimes criminals have a greater sense of justice than those who claim to uphold the law.

[Steve_uk]

Shona, quite often prisoners know things that the screws don't. Believe me if they thought he was guilty they would kill him. If you will believe it sometimes criminals have a greater sense of justice than those who claim to uphold the law.

Lugg you're way out of date with that one..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3762995.stm

[Lugg]

Lugg you're way out of date with that one..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3762995.stm

Steve we are all 27 years out of date. I thought since you are always repeating the same things, that I might add to the repertoire.

[Patti]

Read about Richard Speck, the monster that killed 8 nurses in America.  I know I am off topic with this, so I apologise in advance.  Speck, believe it or not was a shy timid character, according to his biography.

He was sentenced to death, but through a technicality, he got a whole life sentence. 

While he was in prison he feared retaliation for his crimes. He knew that his life inside would be hell...and it was.....But Speck turned the tables. He became the prison's moll....He had injections to grow breasts and allowed himself to abused up to 6 times a day for the 20 odd years he served in jail for his crimes.  In his mind this was his way to survive in prison...otherwise he would have been killed.  In a way he suffered more in prison and died at about 50 years old....

I know this has no baring on Jeremy...I am speaking out loud....Hic Hic! 

[Patti]

Lugg you're way out of date with that one..http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3762995.stm

Hi Steve

Jeremy wasn't attacked because of his crimes, he was attacked about his revelation about what it was like in jail...cushy!