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Offline maggie

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #210 on: February 08, 2013, 12:46:PM »

The way i see the 'phone call' was that it was said to have still been connected to the original call receiver 'JB'.
A call can only be disconnected by the caller and not the receiver.  If a call is ongoing and the receiver closes or reopens their phone line it will always be connected to the original caller.   
So if NB did make the call and 'dropped' the phone then the line would have still been open to JB's phone and he wouldf have heard more (a struggle and shots ?)
Not necessarily, if Neil had depressed the cradle and immediately made another call to the police the line would be engaged whencjb tried to phone back. No need for him to hear anything as for the white phone off the hook....that may have happened a bit later. imo

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #211 on: February 08, 2013, 12:47:PM »
If you were going to plan such a crime, surely you would simply call 999 from WHF and pretend to be NB then go home and wait for the police to contact you??

 
Perhaps... but then if i was to plan such a crime i would be shitting myself and in such cases mistakes can easily be made. 
Can only a cold-blooded killer think through enough to plan and commit the perfect crime....

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #212 on: February 08, 2013, 12:51:PM »
Not necessarily, if Neil had depressed the cradle and immediately made another call to the police the line would be engaged whencjb tried to phone back. No need for him to hear anything as for the white phone off the hook....that may have happened a bit later. imo

 
Didnt JB state that the line just went dead.... 
If he was in a conversation with NB did he not have the time to say 'im going to ring the police now'

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #213 on: February 08, 2013, 12:54:PM »
So that's a no then!

It's still an "I don't need to" - anyway this a dead end line of questioning as neither party can either prove or disprove the call happened (we both know that  ??? ) - I prefer to believe it didn't!

The forum, I thought, is for debate, and not for proving or disproving anything. Asking anyone to prove something on the forum, to me, is a sign of frustration and not debate.

If strong and irrefutable proof either way were to appear first on the forum, then something is really wrong! 

« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 12:58:PM by Nickos »
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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #214 on: February 08, 2013, 01:05:PM »
Hello naughty Nickos

Theresa Riggi a loving Mother last year in Edinburgh stabbed her three children 8 times each with a different kitchen knife for each one  and lay them side by side.  If you think about it did two of the children witness the first stabbing and so forth.  This was a crime of protecting her children from evil and she was given 15 years in a secure unit.  She tried to stab herself then jump off a balcony but was caught and therefore not successful in her attempt to join her children as that is all she wanted to do.  Why did she not give her children tablets they were 8 year old twins and a 5 year old daughter :'(
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 01:07:PM by susan »

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #215 on: February 08, 2013, 02:15:PM »
Hello naughty Nickos

Theresa Riggi a loving Mother last year in Edinburgh stabbed her three children 8 times each with a different kitchen knife for each one  and lay them side by side.  If you think about it did two of the children witness the first stabbing and so forth.  This was a crime of protecting her children from evil and she was given 15 years in a secure unit.  She tried to stab herself then jump off a balcony but was caught and therefore not successful in her attempt to join her children as that is all she wanted to do.  Why did she not give her children tablets they were 8 year old twins and a 5 year old daughter :'(

Hi McGorgeous, I am no expert in what methods a disturbed person may or may not chose to kill their children. I am simply applying my logic (as limited a that maybe) to the case.

Sheila could have also stabbed her children, smothered them, etc. but picking up that convenient rifle is more difficult to believe (for me anyway), and back to that old stuff of re-loading, beating Nevill etc.

Sheila had no real reason imo (even in a psychotic state) to kill Nevill in the protracted way he died. This imo was the work of a ruthless and relatively (sorry about the pun) efficient killer.

What did you make (assuming you read it) on my comment “If Sheila had used bullets from the work surface I would have expected (in her anxious state) for some them have been scattered on the kitchen floor, and as far as I am aware non were.

No, if any bullets were taken for reloading purposes from the kitchen surface they were taken quite carefully.”


The pile of bullets in the kitchen was again convenient for JB, to imply a source of the additional bullets supposedly used by Sheila. Imo JB either had loose bullets in his pockets or additional magazines. 

 


« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 02:24:PM by Nickos »
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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #216 on: February 08, 2013, 02:23:PM »
Hello my lovely Nickos

I was not disagreeing with your post as such just pointing out that Mother's do murder their children in different ways and I have yet to read one who carried out this sad act with tablets.  I think the knife method would be a more protracted kiliing and horrendous for the children who were killed 2nd and 3rd. :(

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #217 on: February 08, 2013, 02:31:PM »
Hello my lovely Nickos

I was not disagreeing with your post as such just pointing out that Mother's do murder their children in different ways and I have yet to read one who carried out this sad act with tablets.  I think the knife method would be a more protracted kiliing and horrendous for the children who were killed 2nd and 3rd. :(

Who do you think was killed 1st?

And what about my bullets on the kitchen work surface theory  :P - surely if Sheila was grabbing them in an attempt to reload the gun (twice) some would have been scattered to the floor?
« Last Edit: February 08, 2013, 02:33:PM by Nickos »
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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #218 on: February 08, 2013, 02:40:PM »
Hello my lovely Nickos

I was not disagreeing with your post as such just pointing out that Mother's do murder their children in different ways and I have yet to read one who carried out this sad act with tablets.  I think the knife method would be a more protracted kiliing and horrendous for the children who were killed 2nd and 3rd. :(

Hi Susan,

Where did you read that?

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #219 on: February 08, 2013, 02:45:PM »
Hi Caroline  Theresa Riggi stabbed her three children at her flat in Edinburgh so she must have stabbed them one at a time as not possible to put 8 stabs wounds into each child all at once.  She could have course had them in different rooms but they would have heard the screems etc.  So I am thinking the 2nd and third child to be stabbed would be aware of what was going on :'(  Hope I am coming across clearly.

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #220 on: February 08, 2013, 02:49:PM »
Hi Caroline  Theresa Riggi stabbed her three children at her flat in Edinburgh so she must have stabbed them one at a time as not possible to put 8 stabs wounds into each child all at once.  She could have course had them in different rooms but they would have heard the screems etc.  So I am thinking the 2nd and third child to be stabbed would be aware of what was going on :'(  Hope I am coming across clearly.

Hi Susan, I didn't know you were talking about someone else  :D. You always come across clearly!! Well, mots of the time!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #221 on: February 08, 2013, 02:50:PM »
Hi Caroline  Theresa Riggi stabbed her three children at her flat in Edinburgh so she must have stabbed them one at a time as not possible to put 8 stabs wounds into each child all at once.  She could have course had them in different rooms but they would have heard the screems etc.  So I am thinking the 2nd and third child to be stabbed would be aware of what was going on :'(  Hope I am coming across clearly.


Hi Susan, I didn't know you were talking about someone else  :D. You always come across clearly!! Well, mots of the time!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #222 on: February 08, 2013, 02:51:PM »
Hello my lovely

I think June was shot first but not killed outright and Ralph went to her aid and June was shot again and killed then Ralph was shot on his way back downstairs to activate the panic button.  He was then shot and died in the kitchen and we know what happened next.  Need to read up on your bullets on the kitchen surface and get back to you. :-*

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #223 on: February 08, 2013, 02:54:PM »
Hello Caroline  you will have to make allowances for me as when Nickos is on the forum I just go weak at the knees and I am not responsible for my actions ;D or my posts ;D

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Re: She's got the gun
« Reply #224 on: February 08, 2013, 03:06:PM »
Hello Caroline  you will have to make allowances for me as when Nickos is on the forum I just go weak at the knees and I am not responsible for my actions ;D or my posts ;D

Ha, ha!! My head is not so easily turned by these silver tongued foxes - before long they will have you believe in marigolds, wet suits and bicycle rides by the light of the moon!!  ;D ;D ;D ;)