She's got the gun

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You wouldn't have believed that 100's of patients died from neglect and incompetence if you hadn't read about it recently.

[Nickos]

Hi steve, I notice you have now added a new departure about Sheila cutting off Neville's call to Jeremy.  I don't think that is generally suggested. 

1) Personally I would guess Neville cut off his own call by depressing the buttons before phoning the police

2)or just dropping the receiver. 

3) We do not know which phone Neville used to phone Jeremy anyway, it could have very well been the office phone.

Hi Maggie,

1) Nevill having bothered to dial, wait and eventually talk to JB would imo not have cut his own call off.

2) If Nevill had dropped the receiver the line would still be open an JB would have heard what - shots shouts, a fight. JB stated the line went dead. That suggests to me cut off. If Sheila had cut the line off she would have almost been next to Nevill who would have dealt with her or grabbed the gun from her. At this stage Nevill was supposedly still strong enough to have made it to the phone and wait for JB to answer it - so imo still strong enough to have dealt with Sheila.

3) the cream phone in the kitchen left conveniently off the hook draws our attention to it - as that is what JB wanted us to believe and connect with - JB wants us to believe Nevill called JB from the kitchen, and then Nevill was killed in the kichen!

Nevill imo did not make that phone call.

[lookout]

Nickos,,can you prove that Neville didn't make such a phone call.?

[big-goolies]

Hi Maggie,

1) Nevill having bothered to dial, wait and eventually talk to JB would imo not have cut his own call off.

2) If Nevill had dropped the receiver the line would still be open an JB would have heard what - shots shouts, a fight. JB stated the line went dead. That suggests to me cut off. If Sheila had cut the line off she would have almost been next to Nevill who would have dealt with her or grabbed the gun from her. At this stage Nevill was supposedly still strong enough to have made it to the phone and wait for JB to answer it - so imo still strong enough to have dealt with Sheila.

3) the cream phone in the kitchen left conveniently off the hook draws our attention to it - as that is what JB wanted us to believe and connect with - JB wants us to believe Nevill called JB from the kitchen, and then Nevill was killed in the kichen!

Nevill imo did not make that phone call.

 
It just doesnt add up,  logic suggests that the phone call didnt take place at all

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It just doesnt add up,  logic suggests that the phone call didnt take place at all

How do you work that out,BG.?

[big-goolies]

for the reasons Nickos gave.... the phone call doesnt add up which ever way you look at it. its a fabrication

[lookout]

for the reasons Nickos gave.... the phone call doesnt add up which ever way you look at it. its a fabrication

I would have preferred to have known your own reason,,and not that of someone else's,BG.

[maggie]

Hi Maggie,
1) Nevill having bothered to dial, wait and eventually talk to JB would imo not have cut his own call off.
2) If Nevill had dropped the receiver the line would still be open an JB would have heard what - shots shouts, a fight. JB stated the line went dead. That suggests to me cut off. If Sheila had cut the line off she would have almost been next to Nevill who would have dealt with her or grabbed the gun from her. At this stage Nevill was supposedly still strong enough to have made it to the phone and wait for JB to answer it - so imo still strong enough to have dealt with Sheila.
3) the cream phone in the kitchen left conveniently off the hook draws our attention to it - as that is what JB wanted us to believe and connect with - JB wants us to believe Nevill called JB from the kitchen, and then Nevill was killed in the kichen!
Nevill imo did not make that phone call.

Nickos, i dont know what happened with the phone , some people did make phone calls and depress the buttons to end the call, not just replacing the receiver but I have no idea what happened that night. i was just responding to steve's post that I personally do not believe Sheila cut Neville's call to Jeremy off by depressing the buttons, doesn't make sense to me.

[Nickos]

Actually Nick you could use the same argument against JB.

Hi Grahame, my point being;

JB had to use the Anschutz for continuity, as that is how JB’s plan started - with him using it (allegedly) in an attempt to shoot those rabbits (without tele sights, and the moderator fitted).

I might add that JB setting the scene with a shotgun (and leaving that conveniently out on the settle) was more risky, as popping out to shoot the rabbits at distance with a shot gun was probably less believable than the Anschutz.

I also believe JB felt that to kill all in a more efficient manner was to use the Anschutz (multi shot with spare magazines), than using a shotgun, having two initial loud shots, followed by breaking the barrel, inserting two more cartridges etc. I believe JB saw the Anschutz as a better choice – it’s just that he underestimated the strength of his father and had to resort to fighting him before re-loading (with a spare mag?) and killing him.

If Sheila had used bullets from the work surface I would have expected (in her anxious state) for some them have been scattered on the kitchen floor, and as far as I am aware non were.

No, if any bullets were taken for reloading purposes from the kitchen surface they were taken quite carefully.

[Nickos]

Nickos,,can you prove that Neville didn't make such a phone call.?

Hi Looky, I don't need to.

It's the Defence that has to prove Nevill did.

[Nickos]

By the same token, it would also have been easier for JB to use the 12 bore - but that's not what happened. The 12 bore is the 'logical' answer, the kind of answer you would come to if you had 'planned' such a crime. However, the 22 rifle might be something you would use on the 'spur of the moment' when you weren't thinking 'rationally'.

Hi Caroline, as previously stated;

JB had to use the Anschutz for continuity, as that is how JB’s plan started - with him using it (allegedly) in an attempt to shoot those rabbits (without tele sights, and the moderator fitted).

I have added a bit more in a reply to Lugg.

[Caroline R]

Hi Looky, I don't need to.

It's the Defence that has to prove Nevill did.

So that's a no then!

[lookout]

Hi Looky, I don't need to.

It's the Defence that has to prove Nevill did.

To be honest, Nickos,,the thought of the( defence's) in Jeremys' case,,,leaves me cold. They didn't do nearly enough in living up to their positions.
Hopefully,,Simon will have dealt with that which has become a questionable subject in those who think Jeremy guilty.

[big-goolies]

I would have preferred to have known your own reason,,and not that of someone else's,BG.

 
The way i see the 'phone call' was that it was said to have still been connected to the original call receiver 'JB'.
A call can only be disconnected by the caller and not the receiver.  If a call is ongoing and the receiver closes or reopens their phone line it will always be connected to the original caller.   
 
So if NB did make the call and 'dropped' the phone then the line would have still been open to JB's phone and he wouldf have heard more (a struggle and shots ?)

[Caroline R]

 
The way i see the 'phone call' was that it was said to have still been connected to the original call receiver 'JB'.
A call can only be disconnected by the caller and not the receiver.  If a call is ongoing and the receiver closes or reopens their phone line it will always be connected to the original caller.   
 
So if NB did make the call and 'dropped' the phone then the line would have still been open to JB's phone and he wouldf have heard more (a struggle and shots ?)

If you were going to plan such a crime, surely you would simply call 999 from WHF and pretend to be NB then go home and wait for the police to contact you??