She's got the gun

[lookout]

Also I know someone who knew him and she said no way could Jeremy have done those murders. I know soldiers who said to me that it was the hardest thing they have ever done to kill another person, let alone five in one night. He would have been shaking uncontrollably when he was with the police. The way the antis get round this is to add a hitman. And that was found to be a lie of Mugford. But if you suggest it was a lie they counter that by saying it was Jeremy who told her the lie. And so the senario gets stranger and stranger. No. This deed was done by some very sick person and I believe that person to be Sheila.

I agree with you Lugg-----------cento per cento.

[maggie]

Also I know someone who knew him and she said no way could Jeremy have done those murders. I know soldiers who said to me that it was the hardest thing they have ever done to kill another person, let alone five in one night. He would have been shaking uncontrollably when he was with the police. The way the antis get round this is to add a hitman. And that was found to be a lie of Mugford. But if you suggest it was a lie they counter that by saying it was Jeremy who told her the lie. And so the senario gets stranger and stranger. No. This deed was done by some very sick person and I believe that person to be Sheila.

And if all else fails lugg they say he was a psychopath. Eventhough he has ben tested over and over again and not a trace of psychopathy has been found, some people have special gifts and can tell a psychopath by just looking at a photo....Amazing really

[Lugg]

And if all else fails lugg they say he was a psychopath. Eventhough he has ben tested over and over again and not a trace of psychopathy has been found, some people have special gifts and can tell a psychopath by just looking at a photo....Amazing really

Yes indeed. Notice that when we say this deed must have been done by a very sick person they transfer the illness from Sheila to Jeremy. Forgetting that Jeremy too had no marks on him that indicates a struggle with his father. When we say Sheila did it, then they say, impossible. How can a very frail person have overcome a very fit and strong man like Ralph. Then when they describe a fight between Ralph and Jeremy, Jeremy becomes a very strong and fit young man and Ralph morphs into a very frail and weak old man.

I suggest that Sheila was in a very different position than she was found. I suggest that she was originally found on the bed together with June with the rifle between them. Why? Because it is in Ann's testimony. Not only that, but ofter when people shoot themselves in the head the gun or rifle is often not found on their body, but to one side, giving the impression that someone else had done it.
This indicates to me that the police moved the body for reasons best known to themselves? The whole scene looks wrong to me. Something happened that day with those SOC officers and they are simply not telling.

[lookout]

Well said Lugg----------------again. Sheila was lying down when she received that last shot and I'm pretty sure the rifle,after use,wouldn't have ended up where the pics show---------on top of her body. The belt-back from a contact shot would have seen a displacement of the rifle.

[Nickos]

The police believed it and so do I. Not far fetched at all. The only trouble is no one seems to be able to accept the plain evidence before them? It points to Sheila what ever state she was found in. IF the police reveal what was really found that day then possibly the fact that Sheila did it may not seem too far fetched? The great difficulty is that they have witheld so much evidence from what was truly found at the scene that day and the other problem is that the evidence they have released simply does not add up. The question we ought to be asking is "What did the police REALLY find that day?"

Hi Lugg, I’m not referring to what the police initially believed. And I agree that the initial scene is not that farfetched (but still inaccurate  ).

I am referring to theories like Sheila barking like a dog down the phone – Sheila moving around the house with one wound (a missed suicide shot to her throat) and then killing herself later – Nevill leaving Sheila with a gun to make a phone call at c. 3am in the morning – I find these farfetched.

Unfortunately there is no plain evidence suggesting Sheila did it, or the defence would have it before an appeal court, and no doubt JB released.

The suggestion of a police cover up remains that – a suggestion, a theory, but so far (27 years later) unfounded! 

I do appreciate the EP treatment of the case was a disaster – and that is, I believe, agreed by most parties (probably even EP)!

However; there are imo aspects of this case that strongly suggest it was carried out by a man, and that to me, by default, points to JB.

[Nickos]

Yes indeed. Notice that when we say this deed must have been done by a very sick person they transfer the illness from Sheila to Jeremy. Forgetting that Jeremy too had no marks on him that indicates a struggle with his father. When we say Sheila did it, then they say, impossible. How can a very frail person have overcome a very fit and strong man like Ralph. Then when they describe a fight between Ralph and Jeremy, Jeremy becomes a very strong and fit young man and Ralph morphs into a very frail and weak old man.

I suggest that Sheila was in a very different position than she was found. I suggest that she was originally found on the bed together with June with the rifle between them. Why? Because it is in Ann's testimony. Not only that, but ofter when people shoot themselves in the head the gun or rifle is often not found on their body, but to one side, giving the impression that someone else had done it.
This indicates to me that the police moved the body for reasons best known to themselves? The whole scene looks wrong to me. Something happened that day with those SOC officers and they are simply not telling.

Well it's theory at most!

We know the staged effect of Sheila’s position can also be attributed to it being staged by the killer, in an attempt to make it look like suicide – as was believed by the Jury, and I'm sure many others!

[Jane]

Well said Lugg----------------again. Sheila was lying down when she received that last shot and I'm pretty sure the rifle,after use,wouldn't have ended up where the pics show---------on top of her body. The belt-back from a contact shot would have seen a displacement of the rifle.

If Sheila was laying down when she received the last shot, surely if she was on the floor, any other shooter than herself would have needed to be a contortionist in order to get the angle correct. I expect Steve will pop up in a minute and tell us, as part of his balance of probabilities, that whilst Jeremy was at Colchester Institute he took yoga classes to facilitate moving his body into difficult angles. Just joking, Steve

[Caroline R]

If Sheila was laying down when she received the last shot, surely if she was on the floor, any other shooter than herself would have needed to be a contortionist in order to get the angle correct. I expect Steve will pop up in a minute and tell us, as part of his balance of probabilities, that whilst Jeremy was at Colchester Institute he took yoga classes to facilitate moving his body into difficult angles. Just joking, Steve

You might be joking April but such a suggestion from Steve is not beyond the realms of possibility!! 

[susan]

Hi april  told you if the cap fits steve will wear it

[Jane]

You might be joking April but such a suggestion from Steve is not beyond the realms of possibility!! 

Caroline, don't you mean within a balance of probabilities

[Lugg]

Well it's theory at most!

We know the staged effect of Sheila’s position can also be attributed to it being staged by the killer, in an attempt to make it look like suicide – as was believed by the Jury, and I'm sure many others!

It's only my opinion at best Nick. :D

[Alias]

Well it's theory at most!

We know the staged effect of Sheila’s position can also be attributed to it being staged by the killer, in an attempt to make it look like suicide – as was believed by the Jury, and I'm sure many others!

We can see from photographs that Sheila was moved around some by the EP, so that one is tricky - at best.

[Caroline R]

Please read this carefully Steve!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/07/freed-killer-nicola-edgin_n_2638457.html?ncid=webmail1

[Steve_uk]

Please read this carefully Steve!

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/02/07/freed-killer-nicola-edgin_n_2638457.html?ncid=webmail1

..and yet Sheila never even took a kitchen knife from the drawer in any previous psychosis. I've just been watching Princess Diana:The Secret Tapes on youtube where Diana took Charles' penknife and slashed herself in front of him,and Charles never batted an eyelid.

Of course there are violent people out there with schizophrenia who should be locked up for their own safety as well as the public's. But they have no relevance to the Jeremy Bamber case whatsoever,because you are all projecting your preconceived notions of how schizophrenics act in the same way Jeremy Bamber did in an attempt to hoodwink which very nearly succeeded.

So Nicola Edgington killed another woman on Bexley High Street in broad daylight. I'll highlight another example of an Eastern European who decapitated a woman's head in Tenerife a couple of years ago and ran off with it. You're not telling me anything I don't know. But you all can learn something. These people are mad in the true sense of the word,there is no rational ulterior motive behind their deeds,nor do they prevent outside forces (or Nevill) from calling for help by cutting off someone in the middle of a telephone call. They are in psychosis,they don't know what they are doing,and I doubt that the vast majority end up committing suicide after such a rampage.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1386762/British-woman-beheaded-Tenerife-machete.html#axzz2KDl2Sm3R

[lookout]

Steve,,why go rooting for kitchen knives when there's a whole arsenal at your disposal.?