She's got the gun

[Patti]

A 999 call would have resulted in the operator contacting Witham police station to send a unit, Jeremy did not save time by searching for phone numbers in yellow pages, then after receiving no answer at Witham, speaking to Chelmsford, who put him on hold whilst speaking to HQ (also in Chelmsford where 999 calls are answered), then remaining on hold whilst Chelmsford contacted Witham.

A 999 call would have resulted in a quicker response, perhaps not by much, but even the time spent looking for numbers would have been saved (up to 10 minutes).

The slowing down for the police to pass doesn't bother me, unless he went at that speed for the entire journey.

Hypothetically then, lets say the call did take place and it was a real event.  Lets also say that the phone went dead. At this stage Hartley, Jeremy was not to know what was really happening. OK the call lasted a few seconds.  An arrogant Jeremy, a complete Tommy opposite, is in no hurry at all, for he does not realize what is happening....There is no rush in him...he is not aware.

Glad you said up to 10 minutes....

[Lugg]

i must point out that JB claimed to have heard a gunshot in that brief phone call  , in such an emergency why would someone not call 999 !?!

Could you link to the place where he said that? I just thought he said the phone went dead?

[-Harters-]

i must point out that JB claimed to have heard a gunshot in that brief phone call  , in such an emergency why would someone not call 999 !?!

I'm not sure where you got that from but it is clearly not true.

[big-goolies]

I'm not sure where you got that from but it is clearly not true.

 
Its yet again something that ive read and believed , my source may have it wrong but it kind of makes them look silly for publishing such wrong claims.

[-Harters-]

Hypothetically then, lets say the call did take place and it was a real event.  Lets also say that the phone went dead. At this stage Hartley, Jeremy was not to know what was really happening. OK the call lasted a few seconds.  An arrogant Jeremy, a complete Tommy opposite, is in no hurry at all, for he does not realize what is happening....There is no rush in him...he is not aware.

Glad you said up to 10 minutes....

You've set the scene as if you were asking a question, but then there's no question, did you forget? 

[Patti]

You've set the scene as if you were asking a question, but then there's no question, did you forget? 

No I am leading up to something.....lol path more like. 

How was he to know at that stage?  He probably thought that hid father would sort it out....Maybe he got wind there might be something wrong at the farm, when he tried to ring his father back several times...

[-Harters-]

 
Its yet again something that ive read and believed , my source may have it wrong but it kind of makes them look silly for publishing such wrong claims.

I think it's safer not to believe anybody, unless you can see the evidence for yourself.

There are many false claims on this forum alone (from either camp).

[-Harters-]

No I am leading up to something.....lol path more like. 

I thought something was coming. As long as it has nothing to do with bullet weights, then you may continue.   

[Patti]

I thought something was coming. As long as it has nothing to do with bullet weights, then you may continue.   

Ar! Bullets and weights, now your talking my language...There lays the real evidence! Crack that and it will blow this case wide open...It's all down to ballistics!  :D :D :D :D

[Steve_uk]

According to NB's phone call to JB
 
"she's got 'the' gun"  implies a definite article , as if to suggest there was only one gun in the house.... 'the' gun and not 'a' gun
 
multiple items would need to be separated.

That's a very good point big-goolies. If Ralph(Nevill)had spotted the gun on the settle after Jeremy left he would have unloaded it and put it out of harm's way,so at 3:26am it's very unlikely that Sheila has repossessed it in a manner necessary for her to carry out the massacre.

[Lugg]

That's a very good point big-goolies. If Ralph(Nevill)had spotted the gun on the settle after Jeremy left he would have unloaded it and put it out of harm's way,so at 3:26am it's very unlikely that Sheila has repossessed it in a manner necessary for her to carry out the massacre.

Speculation in order to make things fit into your own senario.

[Caroline R]

That's a very good point big-goolies. If Ralph(Nevill)had spotted the gun on the settle after Jeremy left he would have unloaded it and put it out of harm's way,so at 3:26am it's very unlikely that Sheila has repossessed it in a manner necessary for her to carry out the massacre.

He would have would he? You knew him? Don't believe that JUST because you have read other people's opinions of a person, that you yourself know what they would or wouldn't do.

[susan]

Morning Caroline

I suspect if Jeremy Bamber had been planning to murder his entire family he would not have left the rifle out at all why would he be so stupid he knew where they were kept.  According to steve the walls at WHF were very thick so Ralph would have not heard Crispy barking or Jeremy entering through the window.

[Caroline R]

Morning Caroline

I suspect if Jeremy Bamber had been planning to murder his entire family he would not have left the rifle out at all why would he be so stupid he knew where they were kept.  According to steve the walls at WHF were very thick so Ralph would have not heard Crispy barking or Jeremy entering through the window.

Hi Susan, yes, I agree!! And also had he been responsible, why tell anyone that he left the gun out? He didn't need to offer up that information. After all the phone call indicated that a 'gun' was involved so why say 'he' left a gun out if he didn't need to? Ralph may not have heard any noises in the night BUT June is reported to be a VERY light sleeper and there is no indication that Crispy was confined downstairs. Whe dogs hear a noise and start barking, the run around the house. The walls in my house are over 12" thick and I can hear Alfie bark where ever he is in the house - especially at night when it's quiet outside and this house isn't small!!

[susan]

Hi Caroline I find no logic at all in the gun being left out to suggest it was left by Jeremy to murder his family had this been the case why incriminate himself and tell the police.  Don't tell steve about your 12"thick walls and Alfie barking it will spoil his take on the case