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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #765 on: June 05, 2012, 12:39:PM »
The opened bedroom window was probably opened as a means to escape by the abductor. Or, it was opened because chloroform was used and it was a way to get rid of the smell.  There were no forensic evidence to support the window had been in use.

I agree the front door could have been used, but you can only believe that if you believe Jane Tanner saw a man carrying a child across the top of the road.

35/45 minutes later in the south west of PDL you have the Smith family seeing a man carrying a child. Bare in mind that the Smiths nor Tanner saw each other or saw each others statements; they all describe a similar man carrying a similar child....I think 9 witnesses in all...

The only thing that bothered us was the fact that Jane saw a man walking East towards Logos....and the Smith's sighting was in the South West.....

We thought long and hard about this....and realised that the abductor had changed direction...Why? because he had been seen.....Like any criminal he changed route in order to fool...

The abductor was local, had no transport possibly a local man or an holiday maker.....

Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #766 on: June 05, 2012, 12:42:PM »
Not only do I feel that Maddie was not taken through the bedroom window, but once outside the apartment (5A) I think any would be abductor would not have climbed over the wall into the car park carrying a child, but rather they would have walked along the path which runs along from apartments 5A, 5B, 5C and 5D, to a set of concrete steps which lead up onto the car park, and adjoining upstairs apartments. This journey would have taken the abductor along the footpath past the apartments of Matt and Rachel Oldfield (5B), the empty apartment 5C, and the apartment enjoyed by Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien (5D), and the set of concrete stairs which led up to the next level where David and Fiona Payne (and Diane Webster) were located...

Here is the relevant footpath outside the relevant apartments, which I photographed in 2010:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #767 on: June 05, 2012, 12:49:PM »
These pictures show a view of the front door of apartment 5A which I took in 2010:-

If you came out of the door (5A) and turned right, you would be facing eastwards in the general direction of where Jane Tanner claims she saw the man carrying off a child in his arms at about 9:05pm. From my point of view, any would be abductor would have come out of the front door and turned immediately left along the footpath which took them past the apartment blocks of the other members of the group, or in other words, westward. For this reason, I do not think any abductor would walk up the steps into the car park and turn right downhill in the direction of the road junction where Jane Tanner claims she spotted the man carrying a child, walking as it were in  an easterly direction. I can't see any would be abductor turning back upon himself and walking back in the very same direction that other members of the group would have to come to check their apartments. It would be much simpler for any would be abductor to turn left out of the entrance to the car park and go uphill, or in other words generally in an eastward direction...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #768 on: June 05, 2012, 01:01:PM »
Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...
Interesting observations, and worthy of consideration if only Jane Tanner has been telling the truth...

Mike that could also be true......leading the police in thinking that the abductor got in and out of the window...but we know this is not the case. But did the abductor know that this would be forensically proved it wasn't the case.
I have often thought that someone on the complex knew the routine and had a key to that apartment....One could get out of the front door without a key, but would have needed one to get in.

I always believe that entry was made through the patio, although this can't be proven.

I don't think Jane Tanner was lying, she saw what she saw, along with the Smiths.....

What I have never been able to work out though, is why a man would walking about with a stolen child around the complex for 30 t0 45 minutes...Or could we say that Tanner and the Smith family were all lying and the abductor snatched her and fled of in a car?  It would make more sense to do that if the abduction was planned, rather that walk aimlessly around with her for x number minutes, he wans't that careful was he? :)

I personally think window was left open to try and fool the police into thinking Maddie had simply been abducted through it by a stranger, rather than she having been taken from the apartment by somebody close to the McCanns via the front door...

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #769 on: June 05, 2012, 01:03:PM »
Mike I need to ask you a question. When you walk around the apartment and enter the car park at the front can you see the window?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #770 on: June 05, 2012, 01:08:PM »


I'm not happy with Jane Tanners account, it doesn't sit well with me, it does not have a ring of truth about it, I think it was made up, and that the description she gave of the man carrying the child who was walking in a easterly direction, matches the description of the person seen by the Smith contingent, who was spotted walking in a westerly direction, because Jane Tanner knew and knows the identity of the person who physically carried off Maddie, and who was later spotted by the Smith family...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #771 on: June 05, 2012, 01:12:PM »
Mike I need to ask you a question. When you walk around the apartment and enter the car park at the front can you see the window?

I took pictures of the view you are talking about when I spent a week there in 2010:-

Daylight and night views which I will try to recover from disks which I saved all my photographs taken in Portugal on, but for now here are some which I have to hand...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #772 on: June 05, 2012, 01:21:PM »
There is a street lamp situated close to the corner of the road junction which lights up the area at night time - so, Jane Tanner would have been able to see the bedroom shutter raised up, the window open, and curtains fluttering about when she returned to her apartment at the time of her alleged sighting of the man carrying off the child in his arms in an easterly direction. Jane Tanner was going back to her apartment (5D) which is shown in this picture taken from the entrance to the car park, and which also shows the bedroom window through which it has been claimed that Maddie was taken:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #773 on: June 05, 2012, 01:23:PM »
Here is the street lamp which illuminates the relevant area near to the road junction:-

(To be uploaded soon)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #774 on: June 05, 2012, 01:30:PM »
The other thing which falls to be considered is the fact that at about 9:30pm, two other members of the group volunteered to go and check apartment 5A for the MCanns, at which time they learned that the patio door at the tapas (pool) side of the building of apartment 5A had been left unlocked and open? These two characters went there on the pretense that they were going to check their own apartments as well?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #775 on: June 05, 2012, 01:35:PM »
I'm amazed and your pictures answer my question....that is that the window could have been seen open.

It was passed at least 9 times by the Tapas group, yet all failed to see it open, with shutters up.  :-\ :-\ :-\

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #776 on: June 05, 2012, 01:38:PM »
The other thing which falls to be considered is the fact that at about 9:30pm, two other members of the group volunteered to go and check apartment 5A for the MCanns, at which time they learned that the patio door at the tapas (pool) side of the building of apartment 5A had been left unlocked and open? These two characters went there on the pretense that they were going to check their own apartments as well?

According to the evidence, (whoever you choose to believe) access to apartment 5A was the only premises which was accessible via the pool side patio doors, all the other group members left their apartments by the corresponding front doors, situated on the car park side of the building. So these two characters left the tapas bar at about 9:30pm and went directly to the patio doors of apartment 5A at the pool side of the building and carried out a check on the McCann children? From there, these two men then went to their respective apartments to carry out checks themselves on the opposite side of the building...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #777 on: June 05, 2012, 01:39:PM »
I'm amazed and your pictures answer my question....that is that the window could have been seen open.

It was passed at least 9 times by the Tapas group, yet all failed to see it open, with shutters up.  :-\ :-\ :-\

Correct, utterly amazing...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #778 on: June 05, 2012, 01:40:PM »
Did you take any pictures at night time Mike?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #779 on: June 05, 2012, 01:53:PM »
Did you take any pictures at night time Mike?

Yes, of course I did...

Anyone going back to apartments, 5A, 5B, 5D and 5H would easily have been able to see if the shutter at the bedroom window was raised up, and the window open, with its curtains fluttering about. This is what convinces me that Jane Tanners account is not a truthful one. If it was true, for example, she couldn't help to have missed the shutter at the window of apartment 5A raised up, with window open and curtains fluttering when she went back to her own apartment (5D). Not only that but with the return of two further members of the group at around 9:30pm, who as I say volunteered to check 5A for the McCanns, as well as go to check their own apartments, either of these two characters would have spotted the raised shutter, open window and fluttering curtains, once they had left 5A at the poolside, and gone to their respective apartments on the opposite side of the building? If shove came to push and I had to pick the identity of those involved in Maddies removal from apartment 5A, I would have to put Jane Tanner and the two group members who left the tapas bar at 9:30pm, in the frame...
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