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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6570 on: June 02, 2026, 09:01:PM »
But in that same article from the Sun,it states at the bottom....
            'The British Police investigation has now been scaled down and is likely to be shelved in October.
 But one retired Met Police detective, who visited the resort with the Sun, is convinced Jane Tanner saw the real abductor.
 Ian Horrocks said the man Ms Tanner saw had been walking from west to east, while Totman would have gone the opposite way.'....
So, as you can see from your own Sun article even, Cutie, the direction of Totman/Tannerman is indeed an issue for some!
How can you rule out Tannerman being mr Tranmer? Have we any idea what mr Tranmer looked like?

Yes I know and I've previously posted Ian Horrock's report but as I said you have to accept and be comfortable with some ambiguity.  Consider other points:

- JT's sighting took place when she passed GM and JW talking just outside 5A.  How likely was it that MM's abductor was walking across the top of the road with MM in arms after GM had literally just been inside 5A and according to him observed MM in bed? 

- Did the search and rescue dogs scent MM in that direction?  No.

As it stands I am comfortable with Tannerman and Dr Totman being one and the same.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6571 on: June 02, 2026, 09:29:PM »
Yes I know and I've previously posted Ian Horrock's report but as I said you have to accept and be comfortable with some ambiguity.  Consider other points:

- JT's sighting took place when she passed GM and JW talking just outside 5A.  How likely was it that MM's abductor was walking across the top of the road with MM in arms after GM had literally just been inside 5A and according to him observed MM in bed? 

- Did the search and rescue dogs scent MM in that direction?  No.

As it stands I am comfortable with Tannerman and Dr Totman being one and the same.
OK Cutie! But I will remain on the fence for the time being.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6572 on: June 03, 2026, 08:45:AM »
OK Cutie! But I will remain on the fence for the time being.

OK but I am not sure how so-called Tannerman and MM's abductor could be one and the same?

We know there was no sign of breaking and entering which means the abductor must have entered via the unlocked patio doors. 

GM did his check at circa 9pm and claims he observed MM in bed.  He then exited via the patio doors and then literally just outside 5A he got chatting to JW.  During this time JT observed 'Tannerman' crossing the road at the top with a child in arms. If 'Tannerman' and MM's abductor are one and the same when did MM's abductor enter?  Not possible as far as I can see.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6573 on: June 03, 2026, 09:09:AM »
OK but I am not sure how so-called Tannerman and MM's abductor could be one and the same?

We know there was no sign of breaking and entering which means the abductor must have entered via the unlocked patio doors. 

GM did his check at circa 9pm and claims he observed MM in bed.  He then exited via the patio doors and then literally just outside 5A he got chatting to JW.  During this time JT observed 'Tannerman' crossing the road at the top with a child in arms. If 'Tannerman' and MM's abductor are one and the same when did MM's abductor enter?  Not possible as far as I can see.

And in any event 'Tannerman' was male and I believe MM's abductor is female  ;)
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6574 on: June 03, 2026, 09:32:PM »
And in any event 'Tannerman' was male and I believe MM's abductor is female  ;)
The Tannerman sketch shows someone with longish black hair combed to one side, can we be sure it wasn't a women JT saw?
As for the time-line, some believe that the abductor had already entered the apartment and was hiding when Gerry made his check of Maddie.
The only thing is, why would the abductor risk raising the noisy shutters and risk drawing attention to the apartment? Of course they probably thought that Gerry had went straight back to the bar?
Of course this is assuming that Tannerman was the abductor, which does kind of fit with Matt Oldfields statement where he says the kids bedroom seemed to be lighted up from an outside source!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6575 on: Yesterday at 10:31 AM »
After watching this I feel I'm back at square 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCx2wTmY9k&t=3s


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6576 on: Yesterday at 10:49 AM »
The Tannerman sketch shows someone with longish black hair combed to one side, can we be sure it wasn't a women JT saw?
As for the time-line, some believe that the abductor had already entered the apartment and was hiding when Gerry made his check of Maddie.
The only thing is, why would the abductor risk raising the noisy shutters and risk drawing attention to the apartment? Of course they probably thought that Gerry had went straight back to the bar?
Of course this is assuming that Tannerman was the abductor, which does kind of fit with Matt Oldfields statement where he says the kids bedroom seemed to be lighted up from an outside source!

Dr Totman has said he thinks the man JT saw, so-called Tannerman, was in fact himself because the artist's impression by way of physical appearance and clothes worn matched.  What more do you want?  What are the chances of MM's abductor sharing the same physicality and clothes?  Has Dr Totman ever confirmed the direction he was walking in?  If he was walking in the opposite direction to the direction JT believes she saw, she may have suffered a false memory.  She would have been in a state of shock learning MM had gone missing, the shutters open etc and put 2 and 2  together and got 5!  She didn't think at the time 'hey that's someone abducting MM' because had she have done she would have done something about it then and there.  She is only thinking it was potentially MM's abductor after the event. The simplest answers are often the correct ones.   

We cannot be certain GM actually observed MM.  I know he said he did.  But initially he said in his WS he entered via the front door (locked) and not the unlocked patio door.  Probably because he felt a range of emotions at how stupid his decision was to leave his 3 children under the age of 4, completely unsupervised, in an unlocked holiday apartment.  I would say the normal range of emotions would be overwhelming embarrassment, guilt and shame.  If he didn't actually observe MM this means she could have been abducted from approx 8.30pm to 10.00pm. 

How likely is it the abductor was in the apartment when GM did his check?  Not very imo. 

It was the first time MO had physically checked inside 5A and looked inside the bedroom so he had nothing to compare with in terms of how dark/light the inside of the room normally appeared.  He said there was no draught and/or flapping of the curtains.

How do you know the lifting of the shutter was noisy?

Here's an image of CAT.  I think we can safely say CAT and Tannerman are not one and the same.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6577 on: Yesterday at 10:56 AM »
After watching this I feel I'm back at square 1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCx2wTmY9k&t=3s



Who is the commentator?  What exactly is she saying and why should we rely on it?  She just seems to reel off a list of names? 
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6578 on: Yesterday at 11:04 AM »
Who is the commentator?  What exactly is she saying and why should we rely on it?  She just seems to reel off a list of names?

The image is from a facebook group. I googled the image itself and found this interesting youtuber. I'm currently checking out some of her other videos.
I'm now watching this one. GM comes across as being dodgy as phuk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdYrHpbBXMw&t=15s

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6579 on: Yesterday at 11:08 AM »
Who is the commentator?  What exactly is she saying and why should we rely on it?  She just seems to reel off a list of names?

I didn't see the list in your post with the YouTube link. 

I don't see how anything can be inferred from the list?  Firstly how reliable is it?  RM was simply a local resident who spoke fluent English and Portuguese and offered his services foc as an interpreter. 

Some of the names on the list will be based on emergency personnel organised by UK Foreign and Commonwealth office for such eventualities.  Likewise Mark Warner will have its own contingency planning. 
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6580 on: Yesterday at 11:16 AM »
The image is from a facebook group. I googled the image itself and found this interesting youtuber. I'm currently checking out some of her other videos.
I'm now watching this one. GM comes across as being dodgy as phuk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdYrHpbBXMw&t=15s

But who are these YouTubers?  What makes their commentary reliable?  Its all too conspiratorial for me.  I will stick to the PJ files and expert evidence. 

Unless some amazing new piece of data/evidence turns up I am unable to see the McCanns involved with MM's disappearance save their sheer stupidity of leaving 3 children under the age of 4 completely unsupervised in an unlocked holiday apartment.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6581 on: Yesterday at 01:41 PM »
Today marks 6 years since Christian B was named a suspect in Madeleine's case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/1tw38k1/today_marks_6_years_since_christian_b_was_named_a/

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« Reply #6582 on: Yesterday at 06:10 PM »
Today marks 6 years since Christian B was named a suspect in Madeleine's case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/1tw38k1/today_marks_6_years_since_christian_b_was_named_a/
Thanks, Dave, some interesting comments there!

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« Reply #6583 on: Yesterday at 06:18 PM »
Dr Totman has said he thinks the man JT saw, so-called Tannerman, was in fact himself because the artist's impression by way of physical appearance and clothes worn matched.  What more do you want?  What are the chances of MM's abductor sharing the same physicality and clothes?  Has Dr Totman ever confirmed the direction he was walking in?  If he was walking in the opposite direction to the direction JT believes she saw, she may have suffered a false memory.  She would have been in a state of shock learning MM had gone missing, the shutters open etc and put 2 and 2  together and got 5!  She didn't think at the time 'hey that's someone abducting MM' because had she have done she would have done something about it then and there.  She is only thinking it was potentially MM's abductor after the event. The simplest answers are often the correct ones.   

We cannot be certain GM actually observed MM.  I know he said he did.  But initially he said in his WS he entered via the front door (locked) and not the unlocked patio door.  Probably because he felt a range of emotions at how stupid his decision was to leave his 3 children under the age of 4, completely unsupervised, in an unlocked holiday apartment.  I would say the normal range of emotions would be overwhelming embarrassment, guilt and shame.  If he didn't actually observe MM this means she could have been abducted from approx 8.30pm to 10.00pm. 

How likely is it the abductor was in the apartment when GM did his check?  Not very imo. 

It was the first time MO had physically checked inside 5A and looked inside the bedroom so he had nothing to compare with in terms of how dark/light the inside of the room normally appeared.  He said there was no draught and/or flapping of the curtains.

How do you know the lifting of the shutter was noisy?

Here's an image of CAT.  I think we can safely say CAT and Tannerman are not one and the same.
Which one is CAT, the one on her own or the one in the group, Cutie?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #6584 on: Yesterday at 07:55 PM »
Today marks 6 years since Christian B was named a suspect in Madeleine's case.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MadeleineMccann/comments/1tw38k1/today_marks_6_years_since_christian_b_was_named_a/

He was outed in an attempt to produce some evidence but to no avail as he has absolutely nothing to do with the disappearance of MM. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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