The case of Madeleine McCann

[snow66!]

If she's covering up for her husband, wouldn't it mean that it was hubby Chris who snatched Maddy?

Ha ha! You're keeping Cutie on her toes, handyman!

[snow66!]

And handymanz and snow66! I know your inbuilt biases have assumed the abductor was male, and an ugly scary one at that, but I am afraid you are probably wrong.  In all likelihood it is an unremarkable looking, middle class, female.  And I would suggest this is the reason she was able to slip under the radar because as forensic psychologist Mike Berry said there has always been an assumption the abductor is male but what it it is female? 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3460024/madeleine-mccann-nanny-nurse-woman-purple-disappearance-theory/

“There has always also been an assumption that the person who took Maddie is a man. What if it was a woman?

I don't have any biases at all, Cutie! I don't even have a suspect or a scenario.
As I said, i'm a fencie at the moment, just looking at everyone else's theories.
Have you ever thought of sending your scenario to operation Grange, or whatever its called?

[Cambridgecutie]

If as you say she trips herself up. She would be trying to conceal that she has visited the Tapas bar as opposed to saying she didn't know that the Tapas bar was there.

Or the possibility that she saw the roof tops, and it was only after seeing the news coverage that she referred to the roof tops as being the Tapas bar, not realising it had been built.
And when asked "did you go to the Tapas bar with your aunt" was the investigating officer fishing for the possibility of CAT being involved, or hoping she may have remembered something about the guests.

edit: when she says no no no it was not there, she is being very emphatic so maybe she is hiding something.

No.  I think when she describes the view she is in her photographer's element and feels on safe ground.  When asked if she visited the TB, the heat is on she is now being treated as a witness/suspect.  The TB is a central element of the case eg Tapas 7 and Tapas 9.  She wants to give the impression she was unaware the T9 were dining there every night and leaving the children home alone and in the McCanns case in the unlocked holiday apartment.

This is an incredibly devious and manipulative person. 

[Cambridgecutie]

If she's covering up for her husband, wouldn't it mean that it was hubby Chris who snatched Maddy?

Yes.  I think this is very unlikely and both were involved but best to keep an open mind.  As to whose idea and the motive Ive no idea.

Had the patio doors been locked I dont think they would have forced entry.  It was an opportunity that presented and they took it. 

[Steve_uk]

The theories are getting ridiculous: Robert Murat, Clement Freud, the Tranmers, a woman in purple dressed as a nanny (or how about a man in scarlet dressed as a tranny?), a man who died in a tractor accident, and no doubt many others.

I still think Christian Brückner is the most likely suspect, as does German Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

[handymanz]

The theories are getting ridiculous: Robert Murat, Clement Freud, the Tranmers, a woman in purple dressed as a nanny (or how about a man in scarlet dressed as a tranny?), a man who died in a tractor accident, and no doubt many others.

I still think Christian Brückner is the most likely suspect, as does German Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

I think the German prosecutor's interest in the case is driven by the fact that they want CB banged up for life, whether guilty or not given his history can't really blame them.

[Steve_uk]

The restaurant reservation note: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-believe-their-restaurant-reservation-note-may-have-led-to-her-disappearance/ar-AA23OIyt?uxmode=ruby&ocid=edgntpruby&pc=U531&cvid=6a114dce8af744b780655d3b6eb336bc&ei=112

Channel 5 drama review: https://youtu.be/ssn8rPNrgZE

[Cambridgecutie]

The theories are getting ridiculous: Robert Murat, Clement Freud, the Tranmers, a woman in purple dressed as a nanny (or how about a man in scarlet dressed as a tranny?), a man who died in a tractor accident, and no doubt many others.

I still think Christian Brückner is the most likely suspect, as does German Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters.

I agree many of the theories are ridiculous as were the simultaneous 'sightings' of MM across the globe.  But the Tranmers as a theory/suspects are not ridiculous given we know 100% they were in close proximity to MM, ie 2 or 3 meters, shortly before the abduction.  We also know it is very likely they learned from PF that the children were being left in the evening in the unlocked apartment whilst the parents dined at the tapas bar.  Added to this a year later when CAT was interviewed by Leic police she tripped herself up by initially describing the view from PF's balcony which included the roof of the taps bar.  Later in the same interview when she was asked if she went to the tapas bar she claimed it had not even been constructed 

I find you tend to see things in black and white, are very conservative, and appear to me to be very bias based on your limited life experiences of the church, teaching, looking after your elderly parents and life in the UK.  I wonder whether the 'blue stocking' you met at uni may have rounded you and made you the best version of yourself had the relationship developed!

I accept CB is an unsavoury character but I personally find it disgusting the way he has been outed as MM's abductor without the evidence needed to bring charges.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/human-rights-act/article-6-right-fair-trial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs

[Cambridgecutie]

I think the German prosecutor's interest in the case is driven by the fact that they want CB banged up for life, whether guilty or not given his history can't really blame them.

But is there any evidence he abducted MM?

[Cambridgecutie]

The restaurant reservation note: https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/madeleine-mccann-s-parents-believe-their-restaurant-reservation-note-may-have-led-to-her-disappearance/ar-AA23OIyt?uxmode=ruby&ocid=edgntpruby&pc=U531&cvid=6a114dce8af744b780655d3b6eb336bc&ei=112

Channel 5 drama review: https://youtu.be/ssn8rPNrgZE

Even if we accept the above is totally accurate did the reservation state the children will be left alone, without a baby monitor and the apartment unlocked?  The only person who could possibly know these fine details was PF and anyone she told. 

[Steve_uk]

I agree many of the theories are ridiculous as were the simultaneous 'sightings' of MM across the globe.  But the Tranmers as a theory/suspects are not ridiculous given we know 100% they were in close proximity to MM, ie 2 or 3 meters, shortly before the abduction.  We also know it is very likely they learned from PF that the children were being left in the evening in the unlocked apartment whilst the parents dined at the tapas bar.  Added to this a year later when CAT was interviewed by Leic police she tripped herself up by initially describing the view from PF's balcony which included the roof of the taps bar.  Later in the same interview when she was asked if she went to the tapas bar she claimed it had not even been constructed 

I find you tend to see things in black and white, are very conservative, and appear to me to be very bias based on your limited life experiences of the church, teaching, looking after your elderly parents and life in the UK.  I wonder whether the 'blue stocking' you met at uni may have rounded you and made you the best version of yourself had the relationship developed!

I accept CB is an unsavoury character but I personally find it disgusting the way he has been outed as MM's abductor without the evidence needed to bring charges.

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/human-rights/human-rights-act/article-6-right-fair-trial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=734n3yZJ8gs

She was the most serious of my relationships. But one can't dwell, regress. One has to take life as one finds it, especially as one advances in years.

The video clip is interesting. If Brückner was careful to cover his tracks with the crimes he committed (and possible abduction and murder of Inge Gehricke, Caroline Titze and Rene Hasse), then why use one's mobile telephone in such close proximity to the Ocean Club complex that night?

[Cambridgecutie]

She was the most serious of my relationships. But one can't dwell, regress. One has to take life as one finds it, especially as one advances in years.

The video clip is interesting. If Brückner was careful to cover his tracks with the crimes he committed (and possible abduction and murder of Inge Gehricke, Caroline Titze and Rene Hasse), then why use one's mobile telephone in such close proximity to the Ocean Cluc complex that night?

What evidence exists connecting CB to any case of murder and abduction?

Where is the evidence that he used his mobile phone in close proximity to the McCann apartment?  He had lived in PDL for several years so of course his mobile phone connections went through a mast in the PDL area.  There are no mobile phone masts near apartment 5a or there weren't when I looked nearly 6 years ago:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.0

https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=268&MNC=6&type=LTE&latitude=37.921417521251456&longitude=-8.465142161963986&zoom=7.855714319380455&showTowers=true&showIcons=true&showTowerLabels=true&clusterEnabled=true&tilesEnabled=true&showOrphans=false&showNoFrequencyOnly=false&showFrequencyOnly=false&showBandwidthOnly=false&DateFilterType=Last&showHex=false&showVerifiedOnly=false&showUnverifiedOnly=false&showLTECAOnly=false&showENDCOnly=false&showBand=0&showSectorColours=true&mapType=roadmap&darkMode=false&imperialUnits=false

[Cambridgecutie]

She was the most serious of my relationships. But one can't dwell, regress. One has to take life as one finds it, especially as one advances in years.

The video clip is interesting. If Brückner was careful to cover his tracks with the crimes he committed (and possible abduction and murder of Inge Gehricke, Caroline Titze and Rene Hasse), then why use one's mobile telephone in such close proximity to the Ocean Cluc complex that night?

See if she's on SM.  She might like to reunite! 

[Steve_uk]

What evidence exists connecting CB to any case of murder and abduction?

Where is the evidence that he used his mobile phone in close proximity to the McCann apartment?  He had lived in PDL for several years so of course his mobile phone connections went through a mast in the PDL area.  There are no mobile phone masts near apartment 5a or there weren't when I looked nearly 6 years ago:

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11622.0

https://www.cellmapper.net/map?MCC=268&MNC=6&type=LTE&latitude=37.921417521251456&longitude=-8.465142161963986&zoom=7.855714319380455&showTowers=true&showIcons=true&showTowerLabels=true&clusterEnabled=true&tilesEnabled=true&showOrphans=false&showNoFrequencyOnly=false&showFrequencyOnly=false&showBandwidthOnly=false&DateFilterType=Last&showHex=false&showVerifiedOnly=false&showUnverifiedOnly=false&showLTECAOnly=false&showENDCOnly=false&showBand=0&showSectorColours=true&mapType=roadmap&darkMode=false&imperialUnits=false

I assume it was within walking distance, or Brückner had a vehicle for his getaway. The time slot was a call received from 7:32pm-8:02pm, so there was a window of opportunity if Madeleine was abducted shortly thereafter.

[Cambridgecutie]

I assume it was within walking distance, or Brückner had a vehicle for his getaway. The time slot was a call received from 7:32pm-8:02pm, so there was a window of opportunity if Madeleine was abducted shortly thereafter.

PDL is spread over 9.5 square miles.  It is home to 3,500 permanent residents. Tens of thousands of holiday makers come and go each season.  CB lived on the edge.  The fact he made and received calls going through masts in PDL is insignificant given he lived there! 

How would CB even know of MM's existence and/or that she was being left, night after night, completely unsupervised in the unlocked holiday apartment?

There is not a shred of anything linking him to MM's abduction and my guess is the German prosecutor is unware of even the most basic details of the case.

CB had lived in PDL for years.  Do you not think it a bit of a coincidence that of all the thousands of children that holidayed there during this time he was somehow able to single out, within 5 days of her arrival, a child who was home alone every night, unsupervised, in an unlocked holiday apartment?  It is someone who knew these very important details that are key to solving who the abductor(s) were.