The case of Madeleine McCann

[snow66!]

Talk about jumping through hoops. One has to accept that the Tranmers, who had a valid reason to travel to Portugal, somehow turned into a paedophile couple, who decided on the spur of the moment on the report of their aunt to abduct and subsequently murder a three-year-old child.

I would have thought once the couple discovered the furore surrounding the child and Madeleine's colomba they would have left her in a safe place and telephoned the authorities anonymously, or in the first place informed them the previous evening that children were being left unattended in the Ocean Club resort.

Yes, that's valid points too, Steve! I did think murdering the child when her eye defect was reported was a bit extreme too.
Are you on the fence too, or are you pretty sure that Breuckner was the perp?

[snow66!]

This is a theory from the only person in the history to drink Special Brew indoors? Why am I not surprised. 

Oh well, i've had a special brew or two in my time too, Dave, around 8% volume if I recall!
Very strong bitter taste!

[Steve_uk]

Yes, that's valid points too, Steve! I did think murdering the child when her eye defect was reported was a bit extreme too.
Are you on the fence too, or are you pretty sure that Breuckner was the perp?

Well, Professor David Wilson on the crime show says Graham Hill (not the racing driver) is pretty sure Brückner is responsible. I don't know who to believe, so I suppose you can count me on the fence.

[David1819]

Oh well, i've had a special brew or two in my time too, Dave, around 8% volume if I recall!
Very strong bitter taste!

Have you had 4 cans of it on a weeknight?

[snow66!]

Have you had 4 cans of it on a weeknight?

Ha ha! I expect I have at some time, Dave! I used to be a regular drinker, weeknights, weekends, made no difference to me. Quit altogether though a number of years ago!

[snow66!]

Well, Professor David Wilson on the crime show says Graham Hill (not the racing driver) is pretty sure Brückner is responsible. I don't know who to believe, so I suppose you can count me on the fence.

Yes until we see Wolters evidence on Breuckner it is impossible to decide whether or not he's guilty, Steve!

[Cambridgecutie]

Do you think the lamp was indeed to deter intruders, Dave?
I suppose Cutie's scenario stands up to scrutiny up until the point of abduction, but afterwards?
How would the Tranmers explain the sudden appearance of Maddie, adoption? Maybe, but wouldn't you need certain papers to sign a child up to a GP or enroll in school? Maybe the Tranmers could somehow forge a birth certificate?
Maybe Cutie means it would be easier if the Tranmers were travelling around Europe?
But apart from any of this the biggest problem would be memories! I mean Maddie was almost four so would have been devastated to be removed from her parents whom she would never forget surely?
Wouldn't it have been more sensible to steal one of the younger twins?
Of course this is presuming that the Tranmers stole Maddie to bring up as their own daughter and not for a more sinister motive!
I just don't know Dave, but I suppose the Tranmers are a plausible possibility? Just odd that the police didn't see the possibility too and investigate them further?

But no one can possibly know the motive.  I suppose I like to think they were a misguided childless couple who thought MM was being neglected and they could give her a better life.  But that's probably wishful thinking on my part because the alternative is too horrible to contemplate.  The alternative is they were a deviant couple who had some perverted interest in small children eg sadistic, sexual etc. 

It could be they were some high minded couple who wanted to teach the McCanns a lesson for leaving their children and planned to return MM the following day but with all the media attention felt unable to do so.  If you refer to CAT's WS she claims they were staying in Quarteira.  This is 55 miles away from PDL.  She claimed the journey took around 2 hours.  I would have thought half this time.  Anyway they were staying in Quarteira to look for property to purchase and visited PF on the Sunday and again on the Thursday.  But she added we passed through on Friday but did not visit any estate agents.  To my mind this needs explaining.  Were they actually in PDL on the Friday or not?  Was this said to prempt the idea they left PDL around the time MM disappeared never to return?  It is at odds with her claim they were staying in Quarteria to purchase property in that area.  If they were also considering PDL then why not combine looking at properties with a trip to PF?  Or why not stay overnight with PF and then spend the day looking?  Why did they not call in on PF again?  She claims she first became aware of MM's disappearance when she returned to the UK and read The Times on Sunday.  Did she not notice the police presence in PDL on Fri?  Did they really not hear/see anything on the Fri and Sat? 

I think if you are prepared to abduct a child to raise as your own the acquiring of legal paperwork would not be uppermost in your mind!

Maybe she did not take one of the twins as she herself is a twin.

We have no idea of their backgrounds/lifestyle.  We do not understand the relationship and power dynamic between the Tranmers.  Is it balanced or is one more dominant?   

We have no idea of any emotional/psychological/mental illness issues/personality disorder. 

We have no idea of any loss: untimely death of a child, adoption, abortion, miscarriage.

No one should take any of the police investigations seriously when PF was not even interviewed until 20th Aug!  FFS.  I would like to think if I was the lead investigator I would be like a rat up a drainpipe knocking on the door immediately.  Then I would be straight on to the Tranmers.  PF was potentially the most important witness.  She was a permanent resident who lived directly above 5A.

[Cambridgecutie]

This is a theory from the only person in the history to drink Special Brew indoors? Why am I not surprised. 

And based on what we get from you stone cold sober I would hate to see the end result with a little tipple!

[Cambridgecutie]

Talk about jumping through hoops. One has to accept that the Tranmers, who had a valid reason to travel to Portugal, somehow turned into a paedophile couple, who decided on the spur of the moment on the report of their aunt to abduct and subsequently murder a three-year-old child.

I would have thought once the couple discovered the furore surrounding the child and Madeleine's colomba they would have left her in a safe place and telephoned the authorities anonymously, or in the first place informed them the previous evening that children were being left unattended in the Ocean Club resort.

How can you possibly know one or both had not harboured an unhealthy interest in children for decades?  How can you possibly know one or both have not acted on these unhealthy interests in the past?  How can you possibly know when PF told one or both about the McCanns leaving the children in the unlocked apartment?  Ever heard of phones?  How can you possibly know what the motive was?  And with regard to the reason for visiting I would suggest you reread CAT's WS.

[Jonathan]

How can you possibly know one or both had not harboured an unhealthy interest in children for decades?  How can you possibly know one or both have not acted on these unhealthy interests in the past?  How can you possibly know when PF told one or both about the McCanns leaving the children in the unlocked apartment?  Ever heard of phones?  How can you possibly know what the motive was?  And with regard to the reason for visiting I would suggest you reread CAT's WS.

the Tranmers theory has the same weakness as the McCanns. What was done with the body?

[Cambridgecutie]

Oh well, i've had a special brew or two in my time too, Dave, around 8% volume if I recall!
Very strong bitter taste!

I have never managed more than 2 in one session.  Its strong stuff.  I haven't drank if for years.  I think they have changed the recipe and reduced the alcohol content now. 

Yesterday I bought some Holsten Pils which alway reminds me of my French O level.  I remember meeting my friends beforehand and we all had some Pils.  One of the girls said "all the sugar turns to alcohol" which was based on the advert at the time.  I felt a bit tipsy but still manged a C. 

[David1819]

Ha ha! I expect I have at some time, Dave! I used to be a regular drinker, weeknights, weekends, made no difference to me. Quit altogether though a number of years ago!

She probably thinks that tramp juice is a status symbol. Its gold says special on it and costs 30p more than the regular. Her thought process was probably something like this -

"I was reaching for a Peroni — because I have standards — and my elbow caught the shelf. The can that fell into my basket was green and gold and looked, honestly, looked European. Continental. The sort of thing a woman named Dominique might drink on a terrace in Monaco before her second yacht party.

I want to be absolutely clear about something: I am not unemployed. I am between opportunities. There's a difference, and that difference is mostly that I've been between them for fourteen years and have started referring to my JobCentre advisor by his first name. His name is Derek, and he does not appreciate being called "Dezza."

I now buy special brews in four-packs and arrange them in my fridge like they're something I'd offer to a guest. I have not had a guest in some time but the arrangement matters. The aesthetic. I read somewhere that rich people care about presentation, so I put one can on a little wooden chopping board — a charcuterie-adjacent situation — with some Ritz crackers and a bit of cathedral cheddar I bought on reduced because it was Thursday."

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes until we see Wolters evidence on Breuckner it is impossible to decide whether or not he's guilty, Steve!

You will be waiting a long time to see Wolters evidence.  When the story first broke, around June 2019 from memory, I was posting on Red.  I said it will never go anywhere.  Everyone said its sour grapes because its not your theory. 

CB will never be charged in relation to MM unless he is fitted up and I do think he has a very good lawyer.

[Steve_uk]

How can you possibly know one or both had not harboured an unhealthy interest in children for decades?  How can you possibly know one or both have not acted on these unhealthy interests in the past?  How can you possibly know when PF told one or both about the McCanns leaving the children in the unlocked apartment?  Ever heard of phones?  How can you possibly know what the motive was?  And with regard to the reason for visiting I would suggest you reread CAT's WS.

I can't possibly know, and neither can you, so don't be so arrogant as to write #6320.

[Cambridgecutie]

the Tranmers theory has the same weakness as the McCanns. What was done with the body?

Wrong. 

The Tranmers had a hire car, the McCanns did not.