The case of Madeleine McCann

[Cambridgecutie]

I think for the Tranmers to be the culprits they would have to be involved in some sort of paedophile ring, a bit of a stretch.

Bit of a stretch to think 2 well educated parents left their 3 children, all under the age of 4, night after night in an unlocked holiday apartment but it happened! 

No one knows the motive for the abduction.  It is completely wrong to assume it was sexual.

[Cambridgecutie]

Whoever abducted MM could not possibly have envisaged the worldwide media attention which lasted months and months.  If the motive was an abduction and to raise as their own with some semblance of normality then the media attention pretty much stopped this dead. 

The abduction was not weeks, months, years in the planning.  At most it was a few days but more likely a few hours.  An opportunity presented with a finite window and it was taken. 

[Cambridgecutie]

As I said about the scent dogs, they are not an exact science.  They were not deployed until the following day.  MM's scent could have moved with the prevailing wind conditions and/or mixed with her scent from legitimate walking around the day she went missing.  The scent dogs did not alert outside a building or track to remote areas of PDL or the beach.  All of which supports she went into a vehicle and was driven away.

[snow66!]

The biggest clue in the case is that the person(s) who abducted MM knew:

- the children were left night after night alone
- the apartment was unlocked

How would CB know this? 

CB lived on the edge of the resort miles from apartment 5A.  There is no evidence whatsoever he was in the vicninity at any time during the McCanns stay.

No one knows the motive for abducting MM.  Sexual is one motive/theory.  How can you possibly say no real motive exists for the Tranmers as far as you can see when no one can possibly know the motive and as of yesterday you had not even read CAT's WS!

I finished reading CAT's statement and mrs Fenns last night, very little to be gained from them to be honest, just the suspicious blond man and the fact Maddie was crying for over an hour one night.
Yes, you do make a valid point about the Tranmers studying the McCanns routine, but from where? They weren't in mrs Fenns apartment in the evenings were they? Or were they, and mrs Fenn was involved too? If not, did they skulk about outside in the shadows? Which side of the McCanns apartment would the Tranmers watch, surely both, front door and patio at the back?
And there was also members of the Tapas 7 that the Tranmers would need to watch out for checking their kids too! But!!! the abductor/s wouldn't need a large window of opportunity to carry out the abduction I suppose?
One other thing, it seems a bit risky to say the least for the Tranmers to park the getaway vehicle in a car park directly across from the Tapas bar only metres away, and obviously the route to the car park from the McCanns apartment would be the same route that the Tapas 9 would use to check on their children, yes?
Still, maybe the Tranmers thought they could monitor the Tapas 9 from the car park, and once they saw Kate or Gerry return to the bar from a check they made their move?

[Cambridgecutie]

How many more times do I have to say this...the scent dogs may well have been scenting/tracking MM's scent from her legitimate walking about the day she went missing.  CAT claims they had a hire car for the duration of their trip.  When they visited PF they probably parked in the car park outside the bedroom where MM was sleeping.  All CAT needed to do was enter the unlocked patio doors, walk through the apartment, open the shutter/window as a decoy, open what was effectively the front door, scoop up MM straight into the car and close the door behind her.  Would all have taken around 60 - 120 seconds max. 

[snow66!]

I think for the Tranmers to be the culprits they would have to be involved in some sort of paedophile ring, a bit of a stretch.

Epstein, handyman?
What do you think of the Ghislaine Maxwell e-fit?

[Jonathan]

I think for the Tranmers to be the culprits they would have to be involved in some sort of paedophile ring, a bit of a stretch.

yes it's nonsense

[Cambridgecutie]

I finished reading CAT's statement and mrs Fenns last night, very little to be gained from them to be honest, just the suspicious blond man and the fact Maddie was crying for over an hour one night.
Yes, you do make a valid point about the Tranmers studying the McCanns routine, but from where? They weren't in mrs Fenns apartment in the evenings were they? Or were they, and mrs Fenn was involved too? If not, did they skulk about outside in the shadows? Which side of the McCanns apartment would the Tranmers watch, surely both, front door and patio at the back?
And there was also members of the Tapas 7 that the Tranmers would need to watch out for checking their kids too! But!!! the abductor/s wouldn't need a large window of opportunity to carry out the abduction I suppose?
One other thing, it seems a bit risky to say the least for the Tranmers to park the getaway vehicle in a car park directly across from the Tapas bar only metres away, and obviously the route to the car park from the McCanns apartment would be the same route that the Tapas 9 would use to check on their children, yes?
Still, maybe the Tranmers thought they could monitor the Tapas 9 from the car park, and once they saw Kate or Gerry return to the bar from a check they made their move?

Do you believe CAT's claims of a 'suspicious blond man'?  Do you think its possible she interjected herself as a witness before she was sought out as a witness/suspect? 

Do you not find it remarkable that she describes the view from PF's balcony which included her saying she could see the roof of the tapas bar and then later in the interview when asked if she went to the tapas bar said it wasn't even built?  Do you think she didn't read papers/listen to the media and was unaware the parents were dining at the tapas bar?  The interview was around a year after MM's disappearance. 

She also claimed she didn't realise the McCanns were staying in the apartment directly below her PF's.  Really?  To my mind she is attemting to distance herself ie tapas bar wasn't even there and didn't know McCanns were staying directly under PF's.

She claims she didn't know MM disappeared until she arrived home on the Sunday and read The Times!  So she avoided all the media coverage at the airport on the Saturday? 

She also shows a lack of empathy.  She never once refers to the McCanns or MM by their name.  No comments about the awfulness of the situation etc, etc. 

Its all BS. 

[Cambridgecutie]

yes it's nonsense

What's your theory then Jonathan?

[Cambridgecutie]

Epstein, handyman?
What do you think of the Ghislaine Maxwell e-fit?

Is there any evidence Epstein had a sexual interest in 3 year olds?

[snow66!]

Is there any evidence Epstein had a sexual interest in 3 year olds?

What do you make of the e-fit, Cutie?

[David1819]

I think for the Tranmers to be the culprits they would have to be involved in some sort of paedophile ring, a bit of a stretch.

Who is claiming that? This is the witness who likely saw Bruckner at the apartment acting suspiciously.


"CT'Okay.

DC1485'Where should we start.

CT'At the head.

DC1485'the head.

CT'Because it was what I saw first.

DC1485'yes.

CT'Humm... he was blonde, with a lot of hair, very short, not like mine but a little more, humm... but not like a footballer, do you know what I mean' A style close to shaven. Very short, blonde, the head was very sculptured. The shape of the head was very sculptured, more oval shaped.

DC1485'Yes.

CT'And, humm... then I believe I saw him wearing a blue-grey T-shirt, it was not dark blue, more of a pallid colour and it was, humm... a type of blue with short sleeves, humm... but I did not see anything below, I did not see the trousers or shoes or anything else, only the top part and he would have, I would say'humm, when looking from above, he was not short, I would say he was about a 1'78, about medium height. He was not thing nor was he muscular. So he was of average stature. I would say he was European but not Portuguese. He was not dark and, he was not short, but I would say that he looked Scandinavian if you will, because he was very light and could have been British or Scandinavian. Even though I was looking upwards, he had big eyes, there is nothing else. He did not have tattoos, nothing like this, humm'a person of common appearance, it was his furtiveness that called my attention, humm, no, I can't'

DC1485'Could you give him an age'

CT'Yes, I believe so, I would say that he was between, oh he was not old, 30 to 35, I don't believe that he was older than this."

[Jonathan]

What's your theory then Jonathan?

I don't have one - it's a real mystery. Amaral's theory has some merit, could have been Bruekner (but they don't seem to have any hard evidence), or someone like him. I don't see the Tranmers as credible candidates - for one thing what have they done with her?

[Steve_uk]

Yes, that's true, Steve.
We know the likes of Brueckner was in the vicinity that night and he most certainly had vehicles at his disposal.
And one could say he had certainly a motive for taking Maddie, while no real motive exists for the Tranmers as far as I can see.

Part 2 of the This Much Is True Crime series: https://youtu.be/t87GsOUlqik

[Cambridgecutie]

What do you make of the e-fit, Cutie?

I seem to think when the e-fit first became available many thought it looked like Victoria Beckham 

Did Ghislaine Maxwell have the pixie style in 2007?  Is there any evidence GM was in the area she was seen at the time?  Apparently the e-fit woman had an Australian accent.

I don't think you would know a red herring if it hit you in the face.