The case of Madeleine McCann

[Cambridgecutie]

Thanks, Cutie, those plans of Praia da luz and the Ocean club are very handy.
So the car park where the dogs traced Maddies scent to was directly across the road from the Tapas bar?

Yes it appears so. 

But it has never been clear to me which door the dogs and handlers exited out of 5A: Front door (which overlooks the car park) or patio doors (which overlooks the pool, TB, ocean). 

You also need to read the text.  Obviously some time had passed from MM's disappearance to the dogs being deployed.  The wind can alter the direction of the lingering scent.  Plus also remember MM was legitimately walking in the area with her family shortly before she disappeared. 

The big takeaway for me is the dogs were unable to scent outside the immediate vicinity which supports MM going into a vehicle and being driven away.  The dogs did not scent down to the beach, remote areas, a building etc. 

[snow66!]

Yes it appears so. 

But it has never been clear to me which door the dogs and handlers exited out of 5A: Front door (which overlooks the car park) or patio doors (which overlooks the pool, TB, ocean). 

You also need to read the text.  Obviously some time had passed from MM's disappearance to the dogs being deployed.  The wind can alter the direction of the lingering scent.  Plus also remember MM was legitimately walking in the area with her family shortly before she disappeared. 

The big takeaway for me is the dogs were unable to scent outside the immediate vicinity which supports MM going into a vehicle and being driven away.  The dogs did not scent down to the beach, remote areas, a building etc.

I suppose the question to ask is, was Maddie ever in that car park? Did any of the tapas seven or the McCanns hire a car and park it in that car park?
If not it is unlikely Maddie or her scent would have been present in that car park for the dogs to alert to, meaning the perp did indeed take her to a waiting vehicle on the night of the disappearance?
That is, the night Maddie went missing was the first time she had been in that car park?

[Cambridgecutie]

I suppose the question to ask is, was Maddie ever in that car park? Did any of the tapas seven or the McCanns hire a car and park it in that car park?
If not it is unlikely Maddie or her scent would have been present in that car park for the dogs to alert to, meaning the perp did indeed take her to a waiting vehicle on the night of the disappearance?
That is, the night Maddie went missing was the first time she had been in that car park?

But as I said the wind can change the direction of the lingering scent.  The search and rescue dogs tracking a scent are not like GPS providing a precise stable location.  As far as I can see it can be said with certainty MM went into a car hence the scent went dead.

[Cambridgecutie]

what's the theory about what happened to Madeleine after the Tranmers took her?

I have no idea of the motive.  And did the motive change with all the publicity?

According to CAT's WS, her husband, CT, was contracted to the EU.  CAT evidently returned to UK.  She interjected herself as a witness and was interviewed by Reading police (being her local force).  She hired out a room at the local council offices where she claims she worked as a temp.  But these rooms were available for hire by the general public.  Did CT remain in the EU with MM?  UK was part of the EU then so free to roam Schengen.  Did CAT then return to EU after the interview? 

The British police just appear to have taken CAT at face value.  No corroborating anything she said. 

[David1819]

I suppose the question to ask is, was Maddie ever in that car park? Did any of the tapas seven or the McCanns hire a car and park it in that car park?
If not it is unlikely Maddie or her scent would have been present in that car park for the dogs to alert to, meaning the perp did indeed take her to a waiting vehicle on the night of the disappearance?
That is, the night Maddie went missing was the first time she had been in that car park?

Sniffer dogs that do not find a body, drugs or explosives are immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog or know what was going through its mind. Nor can they convey to us the quality of their training.

[Bubo bubo]

I have no idea of the motive.  And did the motive change with all the publicity?

According to CAT's WS, her husband, CT, was contracted to the EU.  CAT evidently returned to UK.  She interjected herself as a witness and was interviewed by Reading police (being her local force).  She hired out a room at the local council offices where she claims she worked as a temp.  But these rooms were available for hire by the general public.  Did CT remain in the EU with MM?  UK was part of the EU then so free to roam Schengen.  Did CAT then return to EU after the interview? 

The British police just appear to have taken CAT at face value.  No corroborating anything she said.

Next to knowledge on this case. Are you suggesting MM was abducted and put into a car parked close to her apartment and went willingly with no shouting or screaming?

[snow66!]

Sniffer dogs that do not find a body, drugs or explosives are immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog or know what was going through its mind. Nor can they convey to us the quality of their training.

Yes, I suppose that's true, Dave, not sure how accurate sniffer dogs are considered!
Not sure how the dogs could pick up a scent if Maddie was carried to the car park either?

[snow66!]

Next to knowledge on this case. Are you suggesting MM was abducted and put into a car parked close to her apartment and went willingly with no shouting or screaming?

Yes that would apply to any stranger abducting Maddie, Bubo, unless they persuaded her that they were taking her to see her mummy or daddy, or something similar to keep her calm?
It was obviously risky too, taking Maddie to a waiting vehicle in a car park directly opposite the tapas bar.

[Cambridgecutie]

Sniffer dogs that do not find a body, drugs or explosives are immaterial because you cannot cross examine a dog or know what was going through its mind. Nor can they convey to us the quality of their training.

The fact both dogs scented and tracked to the exact same location, both with different handlers, suggests MM went into a vehicle within the immediate vicinity hence her scent was lost.

[Cambridgecutie]

Next to knowledge on this case. Are you suggesting MM was abducted and put into a car parked close to her apartment and went willingly with no shouting or screaming?

Young children of MM's age sleep long and deeply.  Here's SM asleep on GM with the aircraft engines running in the background and GM talking virtually in his ear:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepDNi7WSYs

[snow66!]

But as I said the wind can change the direction of the lingering scent.  The search and rescue dogs tracking a scent are not like GPS providing a precise stable location.  As far as I can see it can be said with certainty MM went into a car hence the scent went dead.

So, do you still get the scent if Maddie was carried by the perp, Cutie? Or did she walk to the car park? Dont think any of her shoe's or any other footwear were reported missing were they?

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes, I suppose that's true, Dave, not sure how accurate sniffer dogs are considered!
Not sure how the dogs could pick up a scent if Maddie was carried to the car park either?

How would MM being carried preclude the dogs tracking her scent?

[Cambridgecutie]

Yes that would apply to any stranger abducting Maddie, Bubo, unless they persuaded her that they were taking her to see her mummy or daddy, or something similar to keep her calm?
It was obviously risky too, taking Maddie to a waiting vehicle in a car park directly opposite the tapas bar.

No.  Young children sleep long and deep.  See vid above. 

I have already said winds can throw the scent off course.  It is not an exact science.  But it all supports MM being placed in a car in theimmediate vicinity.

[Cambridgecutie]

So, do you still get the scent if Maddie was carried by the perp, Cutie? Or did she walk to the car park? Dont think any of her shoe's or any other footwear were reported missing were they?

Yes of course the dogs can still track her scent if she was carried.  Why wouldn't they?  She would need to be placed in an airtight container to prevent her scent inhabiting the environment.  In all probablility she would have been carried. 

[Steve_uk]

Wrong.  The search and rescue dogs were brought in on 4th May and work of MM's scent.  They tracked to a car park in the immediate vicinity which supports her going in the Tranmer's hire car.  You need to scroll down to the map showing the route taken by the dogs.

https://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/Nigel/id94.htm

Once again you are being either disingenous or suffer profound learning disabilities.  I have made available to you the following several times:

https://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

Page 25 details all the false alerts in the case of Shannon Matthews.  We know Shannon Matthews was found alive, physically well and without blood shed and yet the dogs were alerting all over the place.  These dogs work off the scent of blood and cadaver odour which is all over the place and invisible to the naked eye.

Well, I read in the link the dogs lost the scent in the Ocean Complex compound, composed of the play area, swimming pool and surrounds. There was a report of a sighting of a man carrying a child away from the car park towards the sea, which doesn't tally with abduction by vehicle.

I have never stated there's irrefutable evidence against the McCanns. But the apartments of all Tapas 7 members were searched, the British dogs alerting only in 5A, apart from some rotting meat in one of the other apartments.