The case of Madeleine McCann

[Roch]

The problem I have with "the McCanns did it"scenario, is how could they have concealed/ transported Maddie's body when once their appartment was being closely watched?

Did the Portuguese ever come up with a theory to explain this?

[Bubo bubo]

Did the Portuguese ever come up with a theory to explain this?

Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.

[Roch]

Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.

Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?

[Bubo bubo]

Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?

I understand the odour can form in 24 hours but in death from natural causes 1-3 days. They could have put her in a suitcase for short term storage. Their holiday friends left on schedule I believe since there was no reason for them to remain in the early stages. ( Tapas 7) The McCcanns had local contacts as well. Did they know Robert Murat who was cleared of any involvement.

[Bubo bubo]

Yes I think they were but where would they store her body? The other thing is, if Maddie died as the result of a botched abduction, and her person was removed by the offender (which I'm not sure would be enough time for corpse odour to form), why did the McCann's not argue that the abductor must have killed Maddie in a botched abduction and this this is the reason for the dog alerts?

They were both doctors. They would know that it would take time for the odour to form and to suggest this would look like they were using this excuse to deflect from their own involvement. This would apply whether guilty or innocent.

[Roch]

I understand the odour can form in 24 hours but in death from natural causes 1-3 days. They could have put her in a suitcase for short term storage. Their holiday friends left on schedule I believe since there was no reason for them to remain in the early stages. ( Tapas 7) The McCcanns had local contacts as well. Did they know Robert Murat who was cleared of any involvement.

Could dogs detect earlier than that? I think so. As the moment a human being dies, the decomposition process begins.

Regards Murat, I can't remember why he became a suspect. But the dogs didn't pick anything up in relation Murat or his residence.

[Bubo bubo]

At places like the complex where they were staying there would be visitor churn with guests coming and going on a regular basis. There would be many suitcases being moved around especially on change over days.

[Bubo bubo]

Could dogs detect earlier than that? I think so. As the moment a human being dies, the decomposition process begins.

Regards Murat, I can't remember why he became a suspect. But the dogs didn't pick anything up in relation Murat or his residence.

He became an Arguido because a journalist thought he was suspicious because he organised searches and became too involved in the case.
Maddie was very small so less volume.

[handymanz]

Were there not a number of reports of people seeing a man carrying a child in various locations. In other words the body could have been removed in the very early stages following them reporting her missing.

The report of a man seen carrying the child was during the evening, of when Maddie went missing.

At 9.10pm Jane Tanner said when checking on her kids she saw a man with long hair carrying a child.

I still think Maddie wandered outside of the apartment and was opportunistically abducted by a pedo.

The only fly in the ointment for this theory are the findings via the Cadaver dogs.

[Steve_uk]

The report of a man seen carrying the child was during the evening, of when Maddie went missing.

I still think Maddie wandered outside of the apartment and was opportunistically abducted by a pedo.

The only fly in the ointment for this theory are the findings via the Cadaver dogs.

If Maddie died in the apartment we still have the problem of how the body was disposed of. If Jane Tanner did spot a man carrying her away she didn't recognize Christian Brückner as the perpetrator.

[handymanz]

If Maddie died in the apartment we still have the problem of how the body was disposed of. If Jane Tanner did spot a man carrying her away she didn't recognize Christian Brückner as the perpetrator.

If Maddie was indeed abducted, the perpetrator could have been someone other than Bruckner.

I agree, if the McCanns were guilty there is no plausible explanation for how they could have got rid of the body.
Plus they would be breathing a sigh of relief having got away with murder/ manslaughter, rather than continuously keeping the case in the spot light.

[Steve_uk]

If Maddie was indeed abducted, the perpetrator could have been someone other than Bruckner.

I agree, if the McCanns were guilty there is no plausible explanation for how they could have got rid of the body.
Plus they would be breathing a sigh of relief having got away with murder/ manslaughter, rather than continuously keeping the case in the spot light.

That's a good point, although sceptics might argue they're keeping up appearances with their remaining children in mind. It all seems to be getting rather far-fetched: if Christian Brückner's main aim that evening was to burgle and he stumbled upon the children by chance, did he have the time to distinguish between the three infants, did he then pick out Madeleine and kill her in the lounge, then take her away? Or was Maddie's body inside the wardrobe at some point as the cadaver dog evidence seems to suggest?

[handymanz]

Or was Maddie's body inside the wardrobe at some point as the cadaver dog evidence seems to suggest?

If Maddie's body was in the wardrobe when the alarm was sounded, surely straight away the Police would have searched every where within the apatment.
If the McCanns had hidden/ disposed of the body somewhere off site, it would have to of been sometime before they went to the Tapas bar. 

[Steve_uk]

If Maddie's body was in the wardrobe when the alarm was sounded, surely straight away the Police would have searched every where within the apatment.
If the McCanns had hidden/ disposed of the body somewhere off site, it would have to of been sometime before they went to the Tapas bar.

I don't necessarily believe that all the checks on the infants claimed by the Tapas 7 did take place.

[handymanz]

I don't necessarily believe that all the checks on the infants claimed by the Tapas 7 did take place.

So if they could be lying about checking on the infants, how can we know if Maddie was actually in the apartment at the time the McCanns attended the Tapas bar?
Could Jane Tanner be lying about seeing a long haired male carrying a child?