The case of Madeleine McCann

[killingeve]

The German authorities claim otherwise. I suspect they found a picture of Madeline dead in his possession.

Mr Wolters said: “It is circumstantial evidence – we have no scientific evidence. If we had a video of the act or a picture of Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera, we wouldn’t have had to make a public appeal. But we only have circumstantial evidence.”

If you read carefully what Wolters has said there. "a picture Madeleine dead with Brueckner on camera."

That does not preclude a picture of Madeleine dead WITHOUT Brueckner on camera. And that is exactly what I believe they found in Brueckners possession.

If they had a picture of Madeleine dead in Brueckner's possession I would suggest this would be enough evidence to question him if not charge him. 

How would Brueckner know Madeleine was home alone, unsupervised and in an unlocked apartment?  Or do you think he was just lucky to stumble across such a scenario? 

The sniffer dogs only scented Madeleine within the immediate vicinity.  How do you think Brueckner made his escape? 

What do you think he did with the body?  Do you think he outwitted search expert Mark Harrison? 

[Roch]

If they had a picture of Madeleine dead in Brueckner's possession I would suggest this would be enough evidence to question him if not charge him. 

How would Brueckner know Madeleine was home alone, unsupervised and in an unlocked apartment?  Or do you think he was just lucky to stumble across such a scenario? 

The sniffer dogs only scented Madeleine within the immediate vicinity.  How do you think Brueckner made his escape? 

What do you think he did with the body?  Do you think he outwitted search expert Mark Harrison?

Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?

[Steve_uk]

Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?

He could have killed her in the apartment. The guy is insane.

[killingeve]

Regarding the dogs, are you agreeing that the dogs detected cadaver and blood?

I think we're talking about different dogs.  I was referring to the search and rescue dogs aka sniffer dogs who were given an item that Kate McCann claimed had been in close proximity to Madeleine's body.  (I have no reason to doubt Kate McCann).  The dogs then work off this scent ie Madeleine's and follow it with the dog handler.  The dog was unable to scent outside the immediate vicinity which suggests Madeleine was placed in a nearby vehicle hence the dog lost the scent.  These dogs were used shortly after Madeleine went missing.

The cadaver dogs were thoroughly discredited with the Shannon Matthews case:

The properties the dogs searched contained a high level of second hand furniture bought from dwellings where someone had died.  This resulted in numerous indications that required further investigation to confirm whether they were connected to the investigation, or to previous owners of the furniture.

Page 25:

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

The owner of 5A passed away some time before the McCanns stayed there.  He didn't actually pass away in 5A but the odour is highly transferrable. 

The cadaver dogs were used some considerable time after Madeleine went missing. 

My theory is very close to former MET officer Ian Horrock's

https://www.bgpglobalservices.com/happened-madeleine-mccann-2/
 

[nugnug]

intresting if a bit far fetched theory here. https://youtu.be/D7Bd130HWaY

[nugnug]

really going down the reabbit hole here https://youtu.be/wMokHbceT0A

[mike tesko]

The following facts might provide background information, regarding what actually happened in the case of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance.:-

(1) - it was a preplanned event, prior to 'David Payne' making the arrangements for the holiday, we're booked [ by him, on behalf of the other members of the tapas 9 group] and in Portugal. Involving, 'the parents' and 'other members' of the 'tapas group', 'friendly paedophile associates' who 'kept in contact' with one another by 'phone' and 'the internet'. 'These people' may have included 'David Payne', and 'Robert Murat' ( who have 'a strong resemblance to one another identification wise'). In turn, 'we should not discount' the 'possible involvement' of 'Sergey Malinka' [ a computer programmer] ('and a close business associate' of 'Robert Murat'). For example,' Murat' was in 'the business of restoring', and 'rennovating', 'old', 'delapidated', 'run down properties' and 'derelict buildings' - which we 'now know' that the latest suspect ('Christian Bruekner') `often took refuge in', not only in 'such buildings', and 'premises' in 'Portugal', but 'also', in 'Germany'. It is believed that both 'Robert Murat' and 'Gerald McCann' knew 'each other well', and 'had both been in contact' with 'one another' prior to when 'the Portugal holiday took place'. There may well be a somewhat tenuous link between 'Bruckner' and 'an illusive girlfiend' who was a 'Child therapist' and 'who on occasions' took 'in' and 'cared for troubled youngsters' and 'toddlers' to/ and at 'her apartment', where 'Brueckner' is 'known to have been visiting' at 'around the time' of 'Madeleine McCanns', 'disappearance' [1st - 3rd May 2007]..

to be continued.

(2) - I do not believe that a random snatch of 'Madeleine' took place, or 'happenned' - the incident which 'unfolded' and 'continues to puzzle lots of us', was 'undertaken with the co-operation of a lot of people', to 'my way' of analysing and 'interpreting' what 'must have taken place', was / is that the 'Madeleine McCann' disappearance has 'all the hall marks of an internasional flavour' and 'involved some working class individuals' in 'the supply chain'. There must have been 'candidates' who took 'a small bit part', in helping to take ultimate control of 'Madeleine McCann' along the chain of events, 'someone' or 'some people' who 'was' or 'were employees' at the 'Ocean Club resort'. Someone who either 'worked in reception', or 'whom' was 'working in some capacity' or 'other' in 'the tapas bar' as 'a waiter', a 'bar man', or 'a cleaner' (or two). 'Gardeners' and 'maintenance men' who 'worked for the ocean club' [members of the babysitting personal] Some of these close knit conspirators whom 'enjoy positions of wealth' and 'authority', such as 'politicians' , and 'church leaders' and 'priests', 'child traffickers', 'organised paedophilia', 'satanism', 'sex abuse of children', rape', 'torture' and 'sacrificial murder'..

(3) - the link in Portugal between the 'McCann parents' and their 'visit to the property'and' living quarters' belonging to 'Clement Freud', for 'wine and' a celebratory meal in house' [after 'Madeleine McCanns' sudden and 'as yet', 'unresolved disappearence] is' 'very disconcerting', amid claims of 'him' being subject of [`Him'] being `a child sex offender`, previously. Let's `get the facts right`, there were `lots of pedophiles`, `sex offenders` either 'living' or 'visiting Portugal' at the time in which 'Madeleine' [allegedly] `went missing`. Remember 'Kate McCanns' outburst when 'after returning to her apartment'
(5A) and 'discovering' that 'Madeleine', had 'been taken' by 'them' at or by '10.00pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007'. This is 'despite the fact', 'that' at 'just after 9.00pm' that 'same evening', and 'again' by 'around 9.15pm - 9.30pm', that 'other people' were 'realising' that 'a child' was 'missing' from a customers apartment'. 'AGAIN', that 'by 9.45pm that same evening' that '8 of the tapas 9 group' who had been 'eating' an 'evening meal' had 'already left' the 'tapas bar' to 'go' and 'look' for, 'Madeleine'. In 'another example', 'where' during 'a TV interview' with 'aTV terviewer' and 'whilst in her snug little way, she spoke about, the fact tgat'Did 'Robert Murat' know 'Clement freud' well enough, to `also be in attendance`, 'on that same occasion' ?

(4) - the use of the local church in 'Praia de Luz' where the 'McCann parents' took refuge at the beginning of the police investigation, and its close proximity to 'Chaplin Bar' where the 'McCann parents' partied late on and into the evening of 1st May 2007. Of course, the same proximity of the derelict building located across the road from the church [there was dug a shallow grave in the rear garden of this derelict building]. Let us also factor into this mystery, the priest who quickly packed his bags and gave up his post at the said church, and that he did so, soon after 'Robert Murat' arrived back in 'Portugal' from the 'UK'...

to be continued.

(5) - 'Gerald McCann' deleted text messages and records of mobile phone calls that he had made and received between '1st and 3rd May 2007'. Similarly, so did 'Robert Murat' and let's not forget that 'Sergey Malinka' deleted Internet activity from of all the hard drives of computers that belonged to him [around the same period]. It may have been worth checking all mobile phone records with respect to them having made, or received text messages or phone calls to the now known other key suspects - in the same way that 'Kate McCann' forgot to delete a certain phone call from her husband, even though' he' had deleted all such records from his own mobile phone'..

[nugnug]

what do you think of gordon dimok theorysthe ones involving ghisline maxwell.

[mike tesko]

what do you think of gordon dimok theorysthe ones involving ghisline maxwell.

'Hi', nugnug [your username intrigues one such as me' - since in reverse spelt backwards, it reads, 'GUNGUN'] - thank you 'for your input' regarding 'the possible involvement' of 'Guisline Maxwell'  in the act of the disappearance involving 'Madeleine McCann' on the evening of 'the 1st May 2007', whilst her parents were having such a good time at 'Chaplin bar' until 'nigh on' or 'beyond midnight'. It is important to know, that 'the distance between the tapas restaurant bar' and the family apartment [5A 'at the Ocean club'] was not, and is not, as close to the 'McCann apartment', as 'the greater distance' between 'the local church' , and' Chaplins bar' - let's 'get the facts right', the 'McCann parents' were at 'Chaplin bar' from about 10.15am - 10.30pm', on 'that particular evening' [hardly anything like the parents having a barbecue in the family back garden [apartment, '5A'] as 'alluded to' by 'Gerry McCann' - in ' captured, 'media footage' [you `do not leave three young children`, `alone at the family apartment, and 'visit an English bar' (Chaplins) when `it would take a minimum of 10 minutes', or 'more', to 'return to the family apartment' to 'check on their three young children' [ which 'is exactly' what (they) 'did do']

This `approach` that `I am raising`, is 'A GAME CHANGER'..

[mike tesko]

It is, or has to be, more than a coincidence, that 'Mrs Fenn' heard a toddler start 'crying in apartment 5A' [coming from an apartment, directly beneath hers] which commenced at 10.30pm, lasting until 11.45pm, that same evening, and that the 'McCann parents' left the tapas bar, and instead of returning back to their apartment to check on their three children,but upon exiting the small reception entrance, they turned right and walked down the road, past the supermarket, and beyond the local church, with the derelict building, directly opposite on the same street, before reaching 'Chaplins bar'where it is almost certain as far as I am concerned,' that the 'McCann parents' along with 'other members of the tapas 9 group chatted and' drank glasses of wine', and 'that none of the group' returned to their [own] 'Ocean club apartments' to 'check on the welfare' and 'safety' of 'children of theirs' [unless, it transpires, that 'one or two members of the group', did not 'tag along' to visit 'Chaplin Bar', but instead that upon these or those group members went immediately back to their apartments]. If this was what happened, it seems somewhat possible that one or more of them may have checked on the 'McCann' children, 'alone inside apartment 5A'. For 'this to have occurred' the 'person', or 'people' that 'went to check' the 'McCann' apartment in the knowledge that 'the parents' would be out of touch and unable to make theier own checks, once they left the 'Ocean club small reception entrance' 'intent on heading' and 'making their way' to 'Chaplin Bar'...

[mike tesko]

It is, or has to be, more than a coincidence, that 'Mrs Fenn' heard a toddler start 'crying in apartment 5A' [coming from an apartment, directly beneath hers] which commenced at 10.30pm, lasting until 11.45pm, that same evening, and that the 'McCann parents' left the tapas bar, and instead of returning back to their apartment to check on their three children,but upon exiting the small reception entrance, they turned right and walked down the road, past the supermarket, and beyond the local church, with the derelict building, directly opposite on the same street, before reaching 'Chaplins bar' where it is almost certain as far as I am concerned,' that the 'McCann parents' along with 'other members of the tapas 9 group chatted and' drank glasses of wine', and 'that none of the group' returned to their [own] 'Ocean club apartments' to 'check on the welfare' and 'safety' of 'children of theirs' [unless, it transpires, that 'one or two members of the group', did not 'tag along' to visit 'Chaplin' Bar', but instead that upon these or those group members went immediately back to their apartments]. If this was what happened, it seems somewhat possible that one or more of them may have checked on the 'McCann' children, 'alone inside apartment 5A'. For 'this to have occurred' the 'person', or 'people' that 'went to check' the 'McCann' apartment in the knowledge that 'the parents' would be out of touch and unable to make their own checks, once they left the 'Ocean club small reception entrance' 'intent on heading' and 'making their way' to 'Chaplin Bar'...

It would be interesting to know Who suggested that they should visit 'Chaplin Bar'[that evening] and find out the names of other group members, who agreed to 'tag along' and all those 'who didnt'. Is it possible, that they were invited to visit 'Chaplin Bar' by someone who was not directly a member of the group?  If so, it might shed a little more light, on the circumstances behind 'Madeleine McCanns' demise. Could bit piece suspects have met up with the 'McCann' clan, on that occasion? [People like 'Robert Murat', 'Sergey Malinka', 'Clement Freud', 'Christian Bruekner`,' accompanied by his then' (child therapist) 'girfriend', and 'Chidcare worker' [`Elizabeth Pennington'], `the elusive priest who took a confession from both of the 'McCann parents' and 'then abandoned his post at the church', where 'the McCanns', sought refuge during the early days of the investigation. 'What date', and 'time of day' (or 'night') did 'the illusive priest' take 'these confessions' from 'them'? Then there is the matter of 'this priest giving up his post at the church' just as 'Robert Murat' arrived in 'Portugal', on 'a flight that was booked' by an 'unknown party' on the '2nd May 2007'. 'Murat' arrived at Portugal around the time that 'the McCann parents' (and 'their friends') 'faked the disappearance of 'Madeleine' to have occurred on the evening of the '3rd May 2007'...

[mike tesko]

Then there is the matter of 'this priest giving up his post at the church' just as 'Robert Murat' arrived in 'Portugal', on 'a flight that was booked' by an 'unknown party' on the '2nd May 2007'. 'Murat' arrived at Portugal around the time that 'the McCann parents' (and 'their friends') 'faked the disappearance of 'Madeleine' to have occurred on the evening of the '3rd May 2007'...

Also factor in the fact that the 'McCann parents' went on 'a jaunt to Rome' to visit 'The Pope', and on some other occasion, that 'Gerald McCann' visited the haunt of 'Epstein', 'Maxwell', 'Andrew' allegedly involved in child trafficking, and under age sex acts  with 'Young girls' [bear in mind also, the 'Child Sex abuse scandal' ('Casa Pia') that was being drawn into court proceedings in Portugal, and the fact that there was a' European conference' held in 'Lisbon' around the time of 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance...

One European commissioner was visiting an apartment at the ocean club [apartment block 3] on the evening that 'Mrs Fenn' recounted a child crying for nigh on one and a quarter hours, (evening of 1st May 2007)

[Steve_uk]

Pat Brown doesn't think much of the McCanns. https://youtu.be/PD8OlQqRhT8

[mike tesko]

Let's not be fooled any further, by the claim that 'Madeleine McCann' went missing from the 'McCann apartment' between 9pm and 10pm on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. [`She didnt'].

The 'parents' know who they invited to check on their children, in apartment 5A, when they left the tapas bar at around 10.15pm on the evening of the 1st May 2007, and instead of returning to their apartment to do a check on their three young children, they ventured down to 'Chaplin bar' to party for a couple of hours or more. Upon leaving the small reception entrance of the ocean club, they arranged for somebody to keep a check on their children whilst they were exiled down at the pub next to the village church. This 'somebody' was almost certainly a member of their group who chose not to visit 'Chaplin bar' on that particular evening. However, it remains a distinct possibility that a member of the 'Ocean Club' staff, overheard those arrangements being arranged..

I think, the 'McCann parents' are now very concerned, that the identification of the group member who agreed to look in on the 'McCann parents children' whilst they were far away at  'Chaplin bar'. [ `I am hazarding a guess', here - 'David Payne', 'Russel O'Brien' , 'Jane Tanner' and 'Mathew Oldfield' have inside knowledge regarding what really took place involving 'Madeleine McCanns' disappearance...

They should all volunteer, to subject 'themselves to lie detector tests' (including both parents)! To get to the truth in this matter...

There was and is a vast difference in distance between the 'McCann parents' suggesting that when they were dining at the tapas restaurant it was akin to them having a barbecue in their back garden, and the location of 'Chaplins bar' and their apartment [5A]. Hence why they switched the date of her disappearance /absence, from allegedly 'having occurred' on evening of the '3rd May 2007', rather than 'two or more days earlier' ..

[mike tesko]

There is another glaring clue, in the fact that a member of the group [named in Kates book] who made an entry in the small reception diary, regarding the fact that the 'McCann parents' [and other parental members of the so call 'tapas 9 or 7 group] were `leaving` their [Children, unsupervised) which, as it turns out the McCann parents in particular left three young children home alone whilst they were having their evening meal, and wining and dining. It needs to be established, exactly 'when that group member' made 'that entry in the 'small reception' diary..

The set up, involving which group members were leaving 'their own children' UNSUPERVISED back in their respective apartment(s), was 'no unfortunate factor', which ever 'placed a focus of any parents child' (that) left alone in their respective family apartments...