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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5700 on: November 27, 2021, 08:45:PM »
In my opinion, wherever you look at different parts of the narratives relating to the movement of the 'McCann parents', other 'group members', 'creche records' 'deleted mobile phone and sms text messages, during the entire period between the 1st May 2007 (from 8.30pm onward), until the alarm was raised regarding' Madeleine' being absent at / in apartment 5A at 9.00pm [`Mathew Oldfields', version of events] or at 9.15pm 'when a member of staff came on duty' to 'the tapas bar restaurant' and 'mentioned hearing raised, disturbed voices' between 'a man' and 'a woman' who were 'sat at a dining table', 'talking loudly' about one of the 'Ocean Clubs clients children' had 'gone missing from an apartment'. It is interesting to note, that the employee did not identify who this couple were. Additionaly, no-one can say for sure if the couple in question, were 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Kate McCann', or 'the Carpenter couple' who left the tapas bar at about 9.20pm. It is rather unlikely that this observation, involved 'Mathew Oldfield' talking to 'Jane Tanner' at that time, because she had left the tapas bar earlier at 9.10pm...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5701 on: November 29, 2021, 02:47:AM »
'The Carpenter couple' left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. They left through the small reception entrance and crossed over the street [in between block 5 and block 6] en route to their apartment location. At this time, as 'they' crossed over the street, 'mrs Carpenter' recollected that 'She heard a persons voice' calling out the name of 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', without saying whether the voice she heard was 'male' or 'female'..

This raises 'a number of ponderings' - since, 'who could have been that person'?

Well, depending 'upon whichever narrative each of us subscribe to', the only member of the tapas 9 group who was not present back at the restuarant, was 'Jane Tanner' [all 'the other 8 adult group members', 'were' at the tapas bar]. So, was it 'her voice', or 'not'?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5702 on: November 29, 2021, 02:50:AM »
'The Carpenter couple' left the tapas bar restuarant at 9.20pm, on the evening of the 3rd May 2007. They left through the small reception entrance and crossed over the street [in between block 5 and block 6] en route to their apartment location. At this time, as 'they' crossed over the street, 'mrs Carpenter' recollected that 'She heard a persons voice' calling out the name of 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', 'Madeleine', without saying whether the voice she heard was 'male' or 'female'..

This raises 'a number of ponderings' - since, 'who could have been that person'?

Well, depending 'upon whichever narrative each of us subscribe to', the only member of the tapas 9 group who was not present back at the restuarant [at that time], was 'Jane Tanner' [all 'the other 8 adult group members', 'were' (presumably) at the tapas bar]. So, was it 'her voice', or 'not'?

Was  it   'Gerald McCanns voice'?     

If so, then 'this fact alone' would be capable of 'confirming' that 'Gerald McCanns' visit to 'apartment 5A' at 9.05pm, was  a 'reaction' to what 'Mathew Oldfield' had 'told him' ['Madeleine is not present in your apartment'] upon 'his return to the tapas bar restaurant', from 'his'[own] 'check' of 'the McCann apartment' at '9.00pm'..

This [`if true'] makes 'a mockery' of 'Gerald McCanns' narrative - where he has continued to say, that when 'he went to apartment 5A' at '9.05pm', that 'Madeleine' was 'still present' and 'sleeping on her bed', adding that 'upon seeing her' at 'that time', ['he' had reflected upon how 'beautiful she looked'..

Until 'Mrs Carpenter' verifies 'whether' or 'not', it was 'a male', or 'a female voice' she `heard calling out` the name 'Madeleine' on 'three separate occasions', at the 'exact moment', that 'she' and 'her family' were 'crossing the street' close to 'the McCann apartment' [5A]..

Additionally, 'if' the voice [which] called out 'his daughters name' at '9.20pm', belonged to 'Gerald McCann', it simply `does not justify the reasons` given for why 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Russel OBrien' successfully convinced 'Kate McCann' to 'let them', do 'her 9.30pm' check. Since, if 'Gerald McCann' had not 'yet' returned 'back to the restuarant' by 'that stage', surely 'Kate McCanns' state of mind, would be 'why was it taking so long for 'her husband' to carry out 'his' 9.05pm apartment, check?

I am not satisfied, with the claim that 'Gerald McCann' ever 'returned to the tapas bar restuarant' after allegedly doing a check' of 'apartment 5A' at '9.05pm' [that evening]..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5703 on: November 29, 2021, 03:44:AM »

I am not satisfied, with the claim that 'Gerald McCann' ever 'returned to the tapas bar restuarant' after allegedly doing a check' of 'apartment 5A' at '9.05pm' [that evening]..

My reasoning, for taking this stance, is because of (a) ' the Smith family sighting of a person carrying a child in his arms, at around 10.00pm in the vicinity of' LUZDOCK', and (b) 'the deletion of mobile phone and 'sms text messages' from `Gerald McCanns', and 'Kate McCanns' mobile phones...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5704 on: November 29, 2021, 03:52:AM »
My reasoning, for taking this stance, is because of (a) ' the Smith family sighting of a person carrying a child in his arms, at around 10.00pm in the vicinity of' LUZDOCK', and (b) 'the deletion of mobile phone and 'sms text messages' from `Gerald McCanns', and 'Kate McCanns' mobile phones...

'Gerald McCann' deleted either 'four calls' or 'sms text messages' [from the memory and or storage facility, on/in his mobile phone] that 'he sent' to his wife [`Kate'] on the evening of 'the alert' [3rd May 2007] concerning 'the disappearence' of 'their daughter' - yet, rather intriguingly, 'Kate McCann' only deleted 'three of his call/sms text messages'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5705 on: November 29, 2021, 10:34:AM »
According to 'the McCann narrative' [faked], 'the parents' did not separate after returning to their apartment, once 'Kate McCann' alerted to all and sundry, that 'THEY HAVE TAKEN HER, and that ' MADELEINE IS GONE'. Yet, 'Gerald McCann' deleted four phone call or sms text/messages from his mobile phones memory of such contact between 'him' and 'his wife' between 10.00pm [the time of the fake alert that 'Madeleine' was 'taken' by 'them', and that 'she was
'gone'  - the 'arrival of the PJ' at 'their apartment' later on, 'afterwards'..

Something is clearly 'not right'  with ' the McCann parents behaviour' or 'narrative'..

The 'only reliable piece of evidence, that ' I can rely upon' regarding 'Gerald McCanns whereabouts' on any occasion, once 'Kate' had 'officially raised' the 'alarm' at '10pm', on 'the 3rd May 2007' was when 'Mrs Fenn' saw 'him' close to 'shrubbery' and 'plants' in [apartment 5A] `his garden' on `the poolside` of 'apartment 5A'. On 'this' / 'that occasion' [which, rather surprisingly, 'was an area' at which 'the Cadaver' and 'blood hound dogs', alerted to 'a presence' of blood' and or 'a cadaveric presence'..

Reference to 'Mrs Pamela Fenns' witness statement, dated, 'the 20th August 2007'.

Included in the files as a witness statement is mention of relevant events having occurred [in particularly] on the [evening] 1st' and '3rd of May 2007', the following!

'Being of British nationality and in spite of living in Portugal, does not have knowledge of the Portuguese language in its oral and written form, therefore a police interpreter is present, UEVE VAN LOOCK. Thus, according to the facts noted in the files, she says that she has lived in the apartment since 2003, which is located on the upper floor, immediately above the room from which the child disappeared'.

She refers to the day of the 1st May 2007, when 'she was at home alone', at approximately 22.30 she heard a child cry, and that due the tone of the crying seemed to be a young child and not a baby of two years of age or younger. Apart from the crying that continued for approximately one hour and fifteen minutes, and which got louder and more expressive, the child shouted ?Daddy, Daddy?, the witness had no doubt that the noise came from the floor below. At about 23.45, an hour and fifteen minutes after the crying began, she heard the parents arrive, she did not see them, but she heard the patio doors open, she was quite worried as the crying had gone on for more than an hour and had gradually got worse.

 
On the 3rd May she received a visit from her niece Carole [Tranmer] during the morning, who said that when she was on her terrace she saw a male individual looking into the McCanns apartment, situation which has been told to the police, her family member even made a photo fit"

During the day nothing unusual happened, until almost 22.30 when, being alone again, she heard the hysterical shouts from a female person, calling out ?we have let her down? which she repeated several times, quite upset. Mrs Fenn then saw that it was the mother of little Madeleine who was shouting furiously. Upon leaning over the terrace, after having seen the mother, Mrs Fenn asked the father, Gerry, what was happening to which he replied that a small girl had been abducted. When asked, she replied that she did not leave her apartment, just spoke to Gerry from her balcony, which had a view over the terrace of the floor below. She found it strange that Gerry when said that a girl had been abducted, he did not mention that it was his daughter and that he did not mention any other scenarios. At that moment she offered Gerry help, saying that he could use her phone to contact the authorities, to which he replied that this had already been done. It was just after 22.30.

Where is 'Carole Tranmers' PHOTOFIT IMAGE?
   
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5706 on: November 29, 2021, 01:18:PM »
'Gerald McCann' deleted either 'four calls' or 'sms text messages' [from the memory and or storage facility, on/in his mobile phone] that 'he sent' to his wife [`Kate'] on the evening of 'the alert' [3rd May 2007] concerning 'the disappearence' of 'their daughter' - yet, rather intriguingly, 'Kate McCann' only deleted 'three of his call/sms text messages'...

Why would 'the McCann parents' be contacting eachother by mobile phone, on four separate occasions, after 'Kate' raised the alert about 'Madeleine' having been taken?

I thought, in 'their narratives', [that] they [had both] 'left the tapas bar' at '10.00pm', on the '3rd May 2007' [along with everyone else], and stayed close together in and around the apartment until the 'PJ' attended the incident?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5707 on: November 29, 2021, 01:33:PM »

The 'only reliable piece of evidence, that ' I can rely upon' regarding 'Gerald McCanns whereabouts' on any occasion, once 'Kate' had 'officially raised' the 'alarm' at '10pm', on 'the 3rd May 2007' was when 'Mrs Fenn' saw 'him' close to 'shrubbery' and 'plants' in [apartment 5A] `his garden' on `the poolside` of 'apartment 5A'. On 'this' / 'that occasion' [which, rather surprisingly, 'was an area' at which 'the Cadaver' and 'blood hound dogs', alerted to 'a presence' of blood' and or 'a cadaveric presence'..

'The' McCann parents' were not talking to one another at this time 'using their mobile phone' or 'sending eachother a sms text message'. So, the four separate occasions when they contacted one a other, this could only have between 10.00pm - 10.30pm, or sometime after 'mrs Fenn' had soken to 'Gerald McCann' at 10.30pm.[This could have been at different stages up until  the 'PJ' arrived at the scene, that night]
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5708 on: November 29, 2021, 01:57:PM »
There are no independant accounts of 'Gerald McCann'  returning to the tapas bar restaurant after he had earlier left [9.05pm] to check on his children at their apartment. The closest we have any suggestion that he had already completed that welfare check, is by reference to 'Jane Tanners' narrative, where she claims to have seen 'him' engaged in conversation in the street with another holiday maker. Considering that 'McCann' had dashed off to apartment 5A, after being told by 'Mathew Oldfield' that 'Madeleine' was absent from apartment 5A, as a result of 'Oldfields' visit there only moments before, and 'Gerald McCanns' narrative including the fib that he had seen 'Madeleine' asleep on top of her bed when he arrived there, it seems somewhat strange that there was, or is any reference to 'Gerald McCann' putting the record straight, regarding 'Mathew Oldfields' earlier assertion, that 'Madeleine' had been absent! Furthermore, if 'Gerald McCann' had only just returned back to the tapas bar restuarant from doing his 9.05pm welfare check [ lets say by 5 - 10 minutes of 'Jane Tanners' narrative calcukated on her sighting of 'McCann' soon 'after 9.10pm' this would have meant that somewhere between 9.15pm - 9.25pm, 'he' returned to the restuarant. But, if that be the case, why would 'Kate McCann' be about to leave the tapas bar five minutes or so, after her husband had just come back from there? Moreover, why would 'Mathew Oldfield' and 'Russell OBrien' volunteer to do 'Kates' apartment check at the same time [9.30pm]?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5709 on: November 29, 2021, 02:02:PM »
Why would 'Mathew Oldfield' [in particular] be volunteering to do another check of apartment 5A, [9.30pm] considering 'how upset' it had made 'Gerald McCann' feel about 'him' checking on the 'McCann apartment' earlier [9.00pm] in the knowlege that at 9.05pm, 'Gerald McCann' had gone to do another check of the same apartment?  If it did happen like that, then the only other thing which springs to the forefront of my mind, was that 'Gerald McCann' did not return back to the tapas bar at all from leaving there at 9.05pm, but that he was engaged in other buisness connected with or too the disappearence of his daughter..

'He' could have been the person seen by the Smith family contingent, who they saw carrying a child in his arms coming down an inclined side road close to the vacinity of 'LUZDOC' [MEDICAL CENTRE]. However, this could have been himself carrying 'Russell OBrien' and 'Jane Tanners' daughter in an effort to get her some treatment related to an illness she had just configured. The 'Smith contingent, may well have witnessed this scenario, or the man they saw was infact' Russell OBrien' carrying his own daughter seeking independent treatment and or medication. I have personally walked various routes from the vicinity of apartment block 5, to the 'LUZDOC' premises, and the journey can easily be done in 30 minutes! I find this interesting, because of all the 30 minute references mentioned in the various narratives of the five adult members of the tapas 9 group!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5710 on: November 29, 2021, 02:36:PM »
I have personally walked various routes from the vicinity of apartment block 5, to the 'LUZDOC' premises, and the journey can easily be done in 30 minutes! I find this interesting, because of all the 30 minute references mentioned in the various narratives of the five adult members of the tapas 9 group!

(1) - 30 minutes between checks on apartment 5A [ by all and sundry]

(2) - 30 minutes between the two 'Mathew Oldfield' checks at apartment 5A [9.00pm and 9.30pm]

(3) - 30 minutes between a member of staff describing how at 9.15pm, a couple at a dining table knew about the disappearence of a child from an Ocean club clients apartment and another Ocean club employee states that at 9.45pm that all members of the group were not present, except for a middle aged woman, who was sat there alone keeping an eye on others belongings..

(4) - 30 minutes between 'Kate' raising the alarm (10.00pm] and' mrs Fenn' observing and overhearing [10.30pm] `the McCann parents screaming etc, from the apartment, - and she speaking with and to 'Gerald McCann' who informed her that a little girl had been taken by someone..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5711 on: December 01, 2021, 04:39:AM »
I can also confirm, that it is virtually impossible, for any would be abductor to force open the metal window shutter [externally forced] without leaving any damage...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5712 on: December 01, 2021, 11:40:AM »
I can also confirm, that it is virtually impossible, for any would be abductor to force open the metal window shutter [externally forced] without leaving any damage...

Why would any 'would be abductor' need to force open the metal window shutter when the patio doors were left unsecured?  There were no signs the window/shutter had been forced.  He/she could quite easily enter through the unsecured patio doors, scoop up Madeleine and leave by the front door for a nearby waiting car which is what the evidence supports.  The abductor may well have 'staged' the shutter/window to deflect attention away from the fact the abductor was one of a few people who knew the patio doors were left unsecured throughout the holiday from approx 8.30pm to 11.30pm with the 3 children left sleeping and unsupervised save for the brief random checks by parents and T7. 

How do you know Madeleine hasn't been recovered safe and well and her abductors in custody?  Why would the authorities make any such situation public knowing the girl would be hounded off the face of the earth by the tabloids making a 'normal' life impossible? 

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5713 on: December 02, 2021, 11:13:AM »
Why would any 'would be abductor' need to force open the metal window shutter when the patio doors were left unsecured?  There were no signs the window/shutter had been forced.  He/she could quite easily enter through the unsecured patio doors, scoop up Madeleine and leave by the front door for a nearby waiting car which is what the evidence supports.  The abductor may well have 'staged' the shutter/window to deflect attention away from the fact the abductor was one of a few people who knew the patio doors were left unsecured throughout the holiday from approx 8.30pm to 11.30pm with the 3 children left sleeping and unsupervised save for the brief random checks by parents and T7. 

How do you know Madeleine hasn't been recovered safe and well and her abductors in custody?  Why would the authorities make any such situation public knowing the girl would be hounded off the face of the earth by the tabloids making a 'normal' life impossible?

'Madeleine' is 'dead', and 'the McCann parents' both know that what I am saying 'is true'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5714 on: December 02, 2021, 01:30:PM »
'Madeleine' is 'dead', and 'the McCann parents' both know that what I am saying 'is true'...

Best let the MET know then.  They are still publicly saying its a missing person inquiry.