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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5265 on: July 21, 2020, 10:21:PM »
It's interesting that the CB angle is being pushed by The Mail, The Sun, The Star, and The Express. Push push push.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5266 on: July 21, 2020, 10:49:PM »
It's interesting that the CB angle is being pushed by The Mail, The Sun, The Star, and The Express. Push push push.

Not yet divulged by police in Germany, Portugal and the UK,  is who did Christian B purchase the huge camper van from in Portugal,  and how he paid for it (cash or cheque)?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5267 on: July 22, 2020, 06:43:AM »
Gerald McCann was alibi'd on each occasion a suspect was seen carrying a toddler in his arms

(1) -  sighting of man carrying child in his arms introduced by Jane Tanner creation of alibi for Gerald McCann (9.10pm) on the evening of 3rd May 2007..

(2) - Smith contingent sighting of man carrying a child in street nearby 'LUZDOC'  (10.00pm)

He was with Jez Wilkins when Jane Tanner saw them in the street  by apartment 5A  in clear view of Jez Wilkins  and Jane Tanner  although neither Gerald McCann  or Jez Wilkins saw her at all. They did not see the man that Jane Tanner saw walking across the junction carrying a child in his arms. So, in a nutshell, if that man was the abductor carrying Madeliene McCann  off, it would appear that Gerald McCann had nothing to do with her disappearance because technically he was in the company of an independent witness and being observed by Jane Tanner to boot!

Similarly, Gerald McCann claims he was sat in the tapas bar restuarant between 9.20pm - 10.00pm, until Kate did her 10pm check of their children and apartment, only to discover that she was missing from there. That's his alibi to enable him to side swipe the accusation by the Smith contingent that he was the man they had seen carrying a toddler, by making out that he could not have been in two places at any one time..


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5268 on: July 22, 2020, 01:06:PM »
Red flag (22) - In view of the uncertainty regarding whether or not Gerald McCann returned to the tapas bar restuarant  at 9.20pm, from his 9.05pm visit and check of his children and apartment 5A, and from then on that he remained in the vicinity of the restuarant continuously until Kate McCann went to do her 10pm check of the same, only for her to allegedly rush back to the restuarant to give the alert that someone (they) had taken Madeliene from their unlocked apartment, to be pondered why after appearing upset at 9.05pm when Mathew allegedly told him that everything was quite back at the McCann apartment. It is much more likely that Mathew Oldfield told Gerald McCann that he had entered apartment 5A via the unlocked poolside patio door, went into the children's bedroom but only found the McCann twins sleeping in their cots. He would have also mentioned that he had looked everywhere, the living room, the bathroom / toilet and the parents bedroom, and that because Oldfield was informing him loud enough for other tapas bar restaurant customers to overhear. The McCann parents knew that Madeliene  was not present back in the apartment since around midnight on the evening of 1st May 2007, to which Mrs Fenn alluded to when she heard a child crying continuously in the apartment  beneath hers (apartment 5A), and that it lasted from about 10.30pm until around 11.45pm, when she thought the parents must have returned because she thought she heard the patio door on the poolside of apartment 5A slide open, which coincided with the crying stopping, and a childs voice calling out, 'Daddy  daddy, daddy'. .

It is easy in the cold light of day, to see how Mrs Fenn mistakenly thought it had been the parents who had returned at around 11.45pm to apartment 5A because of the noise made of a patio door being slid open. We do not know why or how Mrs Fenn thought that the two parents had returned at that time, but she must have blindly overheard two distinctive adult voices, of a man, and a woman, without so much as physically seeing both of them...

It wasn't until the evening of the 3rd May 2007 that the McCann parents decided to leave the poolside patio door unlocked, with its metal shutter raised up. They did this after Madeliene went missing on the late evening of 1st May 2007. Albeit, I don't think they realised she had been taken, or had gone missing until breakfast time on 2nd May. In hindsite, how had the two adults who had entered apartment  5A through the poolside patio door, if the McCann parents hadn't left it unlocked and open, and would not do so for a further two days (evening of 3rd May 2007)..

So, if the McCanns did not leave the poolside door unlocked and open until the evening of 3rd May, then neither the McCann parents, or an adult male, and an adult female, could have entered apartment 5A  as a result of sliding open the poolside patio door. It is worth noting that in Mrs Fenns account regarding the alleged return of the parents back into apartment 5A  at around 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, does not include any mention of apartment  5A's poolside patio door being slid open one way once, and back again when it was closed. In all these circumstances, it seems to me that the crying child stopping occurred either side of the noise of a sliding patio door, and a childs voice calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy', occurred in that particular sequence of events, linked to a couple who had been inside apartment 5A  all the while a child had been crying! The solitary sliding noise of apartment 5A's poolside patio door must have been whoever the man and woman were, who took Madeleine with them leaving the patio door unlocked and open. In other words, at 11.45pm on the evening of 1st May 2007, someone left the McCanns apartment taking Madeliene  with them, and that this goes someway toward explaining that it couldn't have been the McCanns returning back from Chaplins bar on that occasion, because they would have not left the patio door unlocked and open with their three siblings inside, and they go off galavanting all the way down to Chaplins bar! What this implies, is that the man and woman who left apartment 5A at around 11.45pm, taking Madeleine with them, had entered the apartment via the lockable roadside door rarlier at a time which coincided with the McCann parents and their friends leaving the tapas bar restuarant at around 10pm (after eating their prebooked evening meal) and instead of going back to their respective apartments they turned right instead of left when they exited the  small reception entrance and they must have been seen going further away from their apartments by a considerably larger distance than between their apartments and the Ocean club tapas bar. With this in mind how could any member of that group safely and legally check whether or not, their children wouldn't come to any harm!

Whoever  the couple were/are, they must have had a key. It might possibly have been a pass key used by a member of the Ocean club staff. I seem to recollect that a security key kept in a safe in the Maintenance Department went missing around the time of Madeliene McCanns ordeal and displaced disappearance (1st May -3rd May)...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5269 on: July 23, 2020, 07:06:AM »
Red flag (22) -
Whoever  the couple were/are, they must have had a key. It might possibly have been a pass key used by a member of the Ocean club staff. I seem to recollect that a security key kept in a safe in the Maintenance Department went missing around the time of Madeliene McCanns ordeal and displaced disappearance (1st May -3rd May)...

Red flag (23) - so which door did Gerald McCann use to enter and depart apartment 5A at the time of his 9.05pm check of his apartment/his children? The lockable roadside doorway, or the unlocked poolside patio door?

Well, rather astonishingly he originally told the Portugese police that he used the lockable roadside door, but later on, he altered his account and said that in fact he had used the unlocked / open poolside patio door!
« Last Edit: July 23, 2020, 07:14:AM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5270 on: July 23, 2020, 07:21:AM »

Well, rather astonishingly he originally told the Portugese police that he used the lockable roadside door, but later on, he altered his account and said that in fact he had used the unlocked / open poolside patio door!

It has not been made clear by the McCann parents, or their friends how each of them had jointly left apartment  5A, or returned and then left and returned again  to apartment 5A on the evening of 3rd May 2007...

For example, Kate and Gerald McCann (when they initially go for their evening meal to the tapas bar restaurant) at about 8.30pm, or thereabouts.

Mathew Oldfield - his 9.00pm check of apartment 5A..

Gerald McCanns9.10pm check of apartment 5A..

Mathew Oldfield/Russell O'Brien 9.20pm - 9.30pm check of apartment 5A..

All adult members of the tapas 9 group 9.30pm return to apartment 5A

Diane Webster 9.45pm return to dining table from apartment 5A..

Kate McCann10.00pm check of apartment 5A ..

Who had possession of the door key(apartment 5A, lockable roadside door)throughout, and on each of these occasions?

Gerald McCann - 8.30pm
Kate McCann - 8.30pm
Mathew Oldfield - 9.00pm
Gerald McCann - 9.10pm
Mat Oldfield - 9.20pm and 9.30pm
Russell O'Brien - 9.20pm - 9.30pm
All members of group - 9.30pm
Diane Webster - 9.45pm
Kate McCann - 10.00pm
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5271 on: July 23, 2020, 08:48:AM »
Red flag (24) - if Kate McCann entered apartment 5A  via the unlocked / open poolside patio door, rather than enter via the lockable roadside door (by use of the door key), it falls to be considered that upon discovering Madeliene to be missing (10.00pm) and having frantically searched all the rooms of the apartment, which door she allegedly ran back outside through to look around the carpark/roadside area of 5A? Did she originally enter the apartment by use of the lockable roadside door by use of its key, or the poolside patio door irrespective of whether or not she had possession of the roadside lockable door key at that stage?

It makes a huge difference since if when she did her so called 10pm check of apartment 5A  she did not have the lockable roadside door key she couldn't have unlocked the roadside locked door from outside the premises! Not only that, but the approach to the lockable roadside door from the car park/roadside direction is by way of a walled footpath, which would have taken her directly past the outside of the bedroom with its metal shutter and she would have noticed whether or not the shutter to that window was raised up, with the window itself slid open and its curtains flailing before she entered the apartment using the lockable roadside door route! There is an added complication in connection to and if Kate McCann used the lockable roadside door to enter apartment 5A during her one and only check of the apartment, and that is that upon leaving the small reception entrance of the Ocean Club, and turning left up the hill towards 5A there comes a point at which whether or not your intention is to enter the apartment by way of the lockable roadside door, there are two possible routes which Kate could have taken to end up outside the roadside lockable door. In between the poolside of the Ocean club and blocks five, four and three runs a walled footpath. Inbetween blocks five and four, there exists a footpath which can take you to the carpark/roadside area of the apartment blocks. From arriving on the carpark side of block five, you could walk along the walled footpath to get access to the lockable door to apartment 5A. Invariably if Kate McCann had taken this route with the view of using the door key to gain access, she would still have needed to go passed the metal shutter of her children's bedroom window (which would be on the right hand side of her body) as she went towards the roadside door. If that metal shutter had been raised at that point, the glass window beyond it slid open, and the bedroom curtains flailing about she would have known this before she went into the apartment, thus exposing the script she has been relying on for the past 13 years (as false or fraudulent) involving all the drama, of entering and noticing the children's bedroom door set more open than at the time it was originally set when they went out earlier for their evening meal, and the slam dunk bang of the same door as she went to reset it, followed by a frantic search of the apartment looking for Madelienes whereabouts!

Then something rather astonishing happens because Kate informs us all that after discovering the disappearance and in house search for Madeliene that she ran outside looking for her!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5272 on: July 23, 2020, 10:03:AM »
Red flag (24) -

Then something rather astonishing happens because Kate informs us all that after discovering the disappearance and in house search for Madeliene that she ran outside looking for her!

Pause here for a moment, for us all to consider the implications had Kate McCann  entered 5A via the roadside lockable door because she had got possession of the door key! Also that she had taken the second route to approach the roadside door the apartment 5A - instead of turning left at the walled footpath which effectively runs between the apartment blocks and poolside of the Ocean club, she carried on to the junction at the top of the road where she would turn left. She would have to pass the gated steps that gave access to the apartments poolside patio and patio door on the left hand side of her body (which I shall cover in due course). At the junction she would have turned to her left and go on the footpath until she got to the entrance of the apartment blocks roadside carpark. The important thing to remember is that the children's shuttered bedroom window is clearly visible to anyone walking on the roadside footpath from the junction that Kate could have taken. At every stage of her walk along that footpath from the corner of the road junction until the entrance of the apartment blocks carpark she would have had a clear view of her children's shuttered bedroom window. In other words, if the metal shutter had been raised up, had the window been open, with the bedroom curtains flailing about, without question Kate McCann would have noticed this long before she actually got to the apartment door..

She would also have had a second opportunity to notice whether or not, the metal shutter was raised  up (ect) because she would still have needed to walk along a walled footpath on the roadside part of the apartment blocks and go past the very same shuttered bedroom window directly on the right hand side of her body on her way to 5A's roadside door!

If any intruder had already forced that metal bedroom window shutter at any stage beforehand, or (afterwards) by the time Kate McCann had unlocked the roadside apartment door and gone inside, she would have seen the raised metal window shutter raised up (etc) or an intruder with Jemmy in his hand, standing there at that window, and courteously stepping aside in order not to block her in her stride, and either then proceeding to force open the metal shutter, enter, abduct Madeliene  and climb back out of the same bedroom window with Madeliene  in his arms, all done and (fingerprint) dusted in the blink of an eye, occurring in the brief period it would have taken Kate to unlock the roadside door and get to the point in her script where she first noticed the children's bedroom door being more ajar than it had been set at 8.30pm (an hour an a half, beforehand), the slam dunking of the bedroom door, and all the other malarkey stuff she has introduced as part of the McCann folklore script..

Now, but what if Kate McCann hadn't gone into the apartment via the lockable roadside door? Instead she had gone through the gated concrete steps up to the patio and its unlocked/open patio door entering the apartment by this method at the time of her alleged 10.00pm visit to check on her children?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5273 on: July 23, 2020, 10:29:AM »

Now, but what if Kate McCann hadn't gone into the apartment via the lockable roadside door? Instead she had gone through the gated concrete steps up to the patio and its unlocked/open patio door entering the apartment by this method at the time of her alleged 10.00pm visit to check on her children?

Red flag (25) - Sadly, Kate McCann, was not present in the tapas restuarant  at 10.00pm, and except for Diane Webster who returned to the restuarant tables at 9.45pm, all the other seven group members had vacated their dining tables at or by 9.30pm too..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5275 on: July 23, 2020, 09:47:PM »
It certainly looks like that evil depraved subhuman is guilty. I'm watching this sickening investigation.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5276 on: July 23, 2020, 10:09:PM »
It certainly looks like that evil depraved subhuman is guilty. I'm watching this sickening investigation.
But as things stand lookout any trial may be a farce. Surely their only hope is a confession?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5277 on: July 23, 2020, 10:12:PM »
But as things stand lookout any trial may be a farce. Surely their only hope is a confession?




Unfortunately yes, Steve.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5278 on: July 23, 2020, 10:21:PM »



Unfortunately yes, Steve.

If CB is involved, he is a pawn. McCann's are also involved.


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #5279 on: July 23, 2020, 10:28:PM »
2 years before the McCann's went to Portugal a 37 year old Irish woman had been raped told police that it could well have been the same man. DNA results from that case were destroyed along with results from the 72 year old. The destruction came from the orders of the judge at the time.
The rapist was never caught, but the case of the 37 year old Mrs Behan is being re-opened . Met police along with Portuguese police are going to try and solve the case.