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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4845 on: December 19, 2019, 07:07:AM »
What connection or association did the PJ have in relation to the recover sample of sperm DNA, of / from Simon Andrew Fawkes, Carlo Dambrosio, and Paul Anthony Gordon?

All the above named stayed at apartment  5A Ocean Club..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4846 on: December 19, 2019, 12:33:PM »
All the above named stayed at apartment  5A Ocean Club..

But I guess the sperm recovered from Madeleine bed did not match their DNA or blood group...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4847 on: December 19, 2019, 12:36:PM »
But I guess the sperm recovered from Madeleine bed did not match their DNA or blood group...

But..

What about David Payne, Mathew Oldfield, Russell O'Brien, Robert Murat, Sergey Malinka and or Gerald McCanns DNA and blood groups?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4848 on: December 19, 2019, 05:06:PM »
As far as I am concerned, I believe that at 8 - 9am, on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, the parents realised that Madeleine was dead..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4849 on: December 20, 2019, 10:03:AM »
As far as I am concerned, I believe that at 8 - 9am, on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, the parents realised that Madeleine was dead..

Some information contained in the creche records (Madeleine McCann) for 2nd and 3rd May 2007, are contradictory and or inconsistent...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4850 on: December 20, 2019, 12:34:PM »
Some information contained in the creche records (Madeleine McCann) for 2nd and 3rd May 2007, are contradictory and or inconsistent...

Different members of the group, and a mysterious couple either knew that Madeleine had vanished from the McCann apartment had gone missing or had been  taken, before Kate McCann allegedly raised the alert back at the tapas bar restuarant at 10pm. For example, Mathew Oldfield, at about 9pm of the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007, and the mysterious couple sat at a dining table at the tapas bar restuarant, at 9.15pm, that same evening - and yet, Gerald McCann claims he saw Madeleine sleeping in her single bed for the very last time at 9.05pm, that same evening.

Then of course the additional checks made at apartment 5A,  one. By David Payne from outside the McCann children's bedroom window, at 9pm. It's not been explained why Mathew Oldfield and David Payne, both did a check of apartment 5A, at 9pm, Oldfield by entering it by the patio door on the poolside of the building, whilst David Payne was listening at the very same apartment 5A window on the car park / roadside of the building. Initially, Mathew Oldfield claimed that he had left the tapas restuarant at 9pm because the evening meal was about to be served, and that according to Oldfield,  David and Fiona Payne were absent from the restuarant and that he went looking for them. He further stated that he bumped into them just as he was leaving the Ocean Club (small reception) entrance. So, how could Mathew Oldfield and David Payne have both been checking apartment 5A outside the McCann children's bedroom window at one and the same time?

Hence why, later on Mathew Oldfield changed the circumstances of his 9pm visit to do what turned out to be, his first check of apartment 5A, by saying that he had entered the McCann apartment via the patio door on the poolside of the premises, not listening outside the same bedroom window as claimed by David Payne. This led to David Payne stating that at no stage, or on any occasion did he once go or have to check his own children at his apartment (because they had got a child monitoring device), or any apartment belonging to any member of the group...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4851 on: December 20, 2019, 12:57:PM »

Completely contradictory versions of Mathew Oldfields first visit to check apartment 5a at 9pm, had him listening outside  Madeleines bedroom window on the roadside of the premises, and then also that he entered the same apartment and discovered that Madeleine was missing, which he then  returned to the tapas restuarant to inform the McCann parents that Madeleine was not there..

This caused Gerald McCann to rush off out of the restuarant at 9.05pm to see for himself..

How could Madeleine have vanished from apartment 5A  by reference to Mathew Oldfield's 9pm visit, and Gerald McCanns visit minutes later (9.05pm), without Gerald McCann not being too concerned to try and establish where she been when Mathew did his first check? Surely, he would have checked both doors, and all the windows to make sure that none of them were open?

According to Gerald McCann, although when he entered apartment 5A he noticed that the children's bedroom door was opened much wider than he had left it. In a television interview involving both Gerald and Kate McCann, it was very interesting to hear one comment made by them both regarding how Madeline's bedroom door had been open wider when they had done their respect checks, than it had been set before they had gone for evening meal at the nearby tapas bar restaurant (8.30). Both parents said they didn't think much about the bedroom door being more ajar but that both put this down to the way Mathew Oldfield had left the door open prior to each of their visits (before 9.05pm - Mathews 9pm check, and again before 10pm -Mathews 9.30pm check)..

Gerald went at 9.05pm, to do a check of his apartment and Kate did not go to do a similar check until 10pm

You see if somebody had jemmied up the bedroom window from the outside of Madeline's bedroom window before Gerald McCann went to do his 9.05pm check, (a) why didn't he see or notice the damaged and raise shutter, and the window open on his way when he entered apartment 5A, and or (b) why didn't the bedroom door slam shut like it supposedly did when Kate had reset the same door to as it was before they went out to eat at 8.30pm? I mention this because, Gerald McCann later went onto say that the abductor was probably hiding behind the bedroom door when he last saw his daughter during his 9.05pm check...
 
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4852 on: December 20, 2019, 03:38:PM »
You see if somebody had jemmied up the bedroom window from the outside of Madeline's bedroom window before Gerald McCann went to do his 9.05pm check, (a) why didn't he see or notice the damaged and raise shutter, and the window open on his way when he entered apartment 5A, and or (b) why didn't the bedroom door slam shut like it supposedly did when Kate had reset the same door to as it was before they went out to eat at 8.30pm? I mention this because, Gerald McCann later went onto say that the abductor was probably hiding behind the bedroom door when he last saw his daughter during his 9.05pm check...

Mathew Oldfield then introduces his 9.30pm check, he left the tapas bar along with Russell O'Brien, to check on their own (children) and the McCann parents (children) apartment..

However, he gives two versions of what he did in relation to doing the first and  second checks of his at 9pm and at 9.30pm...

In the 1st version (9pm) he did not enter the apartment at all he just listened for any noise or disturbance from outside the patio door on the pool side of the apartment.. In a second version of his statement (again 9pm), he admits to entering apartment 5A via the patio door and going only as far as the doorway to the children's bedroom and peered his head in and could seethe twins in their respective cots, but assumed because all was calm that Madeleine must have been also sleeping in her bed out of his view, and that he had then left the apartment by the same patio door he had entered...

So we therefore get two different explanations from Mathew Oldfield regarding two non - entry checks by himself into apartment 5A, and two completely different explanations about when he had entered. He claimed to have done a non entry check by listening outside Madeleine McCanns bedroom window at 9pm on the roadside of the building, and a second account of doing an additional non entry check of apartment 5A at 9.30pm, listening from the outside of apartment 5A's patio door..on the opposite side of the building. Insofar as the two entries he had undertaken at the same apartment which he claimed to have entered apartment 5A at 9pm, via the patio door, and to have discovered Madeleine to have been missing from all rooms inside apartment 5A by that stage, and that he had then gone back to the tapas restuarant to inform Gerald and Kate McCann of their daughters disappearence. This caused a reaction in Gerald McCann that resulted in him doing his own check of the McCann apartment at 9.05pm. He also claimed that at the time he did his 9.30pm check, that he had entered apartment 5A through the patio door, and that he had gone in as far as the children's bedroom door and peeped inside but only got a clear view of the McCann twins in their respective cots. Although he did not see Madeleine physically, he simply assumed she was fast a sleep in her bed which was positioned out of his view...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4853 on: December 20, 2019, 04:01:PM »
Why so many different versions of his own truths, regarding two visit / checks of apartment 5A by himself (Mathew Oldfield), he either remained outside the apartment altogether and simply listened outside Madeleine's bedroom window (9pm), and the patio door (9.30pm), and or, he physically entered apartment 5A (TWICE) via the patio door once at 9pm, and on a second occasion at 9.30pm.

These inconsistencies and contradictions, impact on other tapas group members versions of the same events, and amount to their existing strong grounds for believing that Mathew Oldfield, is responsible in someway for the vanishing of Madeleine McCann, along with others, who I shall be naming and giving my interpretation of the evidence that exists proving such an association or relationships...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4854 on: December 21, 2019, 12:31:AM »
Why so many different versions of his own truths, regarding two visit / checks of apartment 5A by himself (Mathew Oldfield), he either remained outside the apartment altogether and simply listened outside Madeleine's bedroom window (9pm), and the patio door (9.30pm), and or, he physically entered apartment 5A (TWICE) via the patio door once at 9pm, and on a second occasion at 9.30pm.

These inconsistencies and contradictions, impact on other tapas group members versions of the same events, and amount to their existing strong grounds for believing that Mathew Oldfield, is responsible in someway for the vanishing of Madeleine McCann, along with others, who I shall be naming and giving my interpretation of the evidence that exists proving such an association or relationship..

Take David Payne, for instance...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4855 on: December 21, 2019, 06:45:AM »
Take David Payne, for instance...
     In his 1st rogatory statement ( 4th May 2007, at 2.45pm) that he made to the PJ less than 24 hours since Madeleine McCanns disappearence had been officially alerted to by Kate Healy / McCann, he states the following:-

The couple Gerry and Kate had breakfast in the apartment. It was usual to have dinner together every night. With the exception of Saturday, when they all dined at the, "Millennium," restaurant, every evening the group was to be found at the, "Tapas," restaurant at around 8.45 for dinner. While the adults were dining, the children were sleeping in their respective apartments.

In answer to our question, the interviewee states that during all the meals, he never went to his apartment or to any of the group's apartments, because he has an, "intercom," and the signal carries from the apartment to the restaurant. The other members of the group went, randomly, every 20 minutes, to their apartments to make sure their respective children were asleep.

Concerning yesterday evening, he states that he, his wife and his mother-in-law arrived at the restaurant at around 8.55pm. According to what he remembers, when they arrived, all the members of the group were present, apart from the children, who were in bed   During the evening, Gerry, Jane and Matthew went, alternately, to their children's bedrooms to check if they were sleeping. He thinks they physically went into the apartments. He no longer remembers in what order they went see their children.

Towards 10pm, Kate went to her apartment, and less than 5 minutes later, she came back to the restaurant, breaking down, reporting that Madeleine had disappeared. Then everybody went to the apartment occupied by Madeleine's family. He remembers comments concerning the fact that the window and the shutters were open, while they had remained closed throughout the week.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4856 on: December 22, 2019, 10:43:AM »
                      PJ Final Report .


                          (pages 1 and 2)

Ministry Of Justice

Judiciary Police

Investigative Criminal Department of Portimao

NUIPC-201/07.0 GALGS

4th Brigade

Inspector Joao Carlos

Denouncer/Offended – Judiciary Police

Denunciated/Arguidos - Robert James Queriol Evelegh Murat, identified and questioned at fls. 1170, 1947 and 1959.

*Gerald Patrick McCann, identified and questioned at fls. 2569.

*Kate Marie Healy, identified and questioned at fls. 2557.

Witnesses/Persons inquired – see Index

Type of Crime – Unknown

Time and Place – Between 21H05 and 22H00 of the day 3 May of 2007, at the G5A apartment, located at the touristic resort ‘Ocean Club’, Vila da Luz, Lagos.

Apprehended Objects – see Index (all the apprehended objects were given back to the owners by means of term)

Examinations done – see Index

                                       ----------------------------------------------------    Final Report

Introduction


These documents relate to an occurrence which describes the disappearance of a minor of British nationality, MADELEINE BETH MCCANN daughter of GERALD PATRICK MCCANN and KATE MARIE HEALY, on the date with three (almost four) years old.

According to the Time and Place, the facts occurred on the day 3 of May of 2007, in a temporal hiatus, understood to be between 21H05 and 22H00 (being certain that after 17H30, only GERALD and KATE had contact with MADELEINE) at the resort named 'Ocean Club', located in Vila da Luz, Lagos, place, where the minor’s family, along with seven other persons, with whom they had a friendship relationship, where enjoying some holidays, with the duration of one week.

The arrival of the group from England, at national territory, via Faro's airport, took place on the 28 of April 2007.

They travelled in two separate groups, since they live in different locations. The trip from the airport to the place of Luz was done in a mini bus, provided by the resort management company 'Mark Warner'.

pages 3 and 4

Upon check-in, they were placed into several apartments, all located in block G5, next to each other, which was an imposition, or at least a suggestion, made by the entire group.

They were all lodged in the ground floor, except the PAYNE family (David, Fiona and Diane Webster), which was lodged in the first floor.

The MCCANN family was given apartment G5A, which is located on the left end of the residential block (seen from the front) and therefore, it can be said, the most accessible one and with facilitated visibility from the outside.

This is a group where seven of the elements are medics, from various specialties, which adds to the fact that all of them have under-age children, which accompanied them. The MCCANN family was composed of the parents, as well as MADELEINE and the twins SEAN and AMELIE, these being two years old, at the date of the facts.

This trip was organized by the PAYNE family, namely by the male element of the couple, DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE, who had knowledge, as a user, of the tourist resorts that belong to the "Mark Warner" company.

The group shared among themselves a friendship that existed before this trip, based on professional relationships and other holiday trips.

It is pointed out that this was the first time that the elements of the group were on holidays at this resort on national territory for the first time, and that the group's will to carry out the trip was planned approximately one month before it took place.

On the other hand, nothing indicates that any of the participants had any previous connection to Vila da Luz or that there resided or stayed any person related to them.

The group's daily routine implied their movement, for dinner, to the Tapas Restaurant, which is located at the resort (although outside of the specific area of the apartments and without permitting a complete visual control of the latter), while their underage children remained alone – supposedly asleep – in their apartments while the dinner was under way.

According to the group's common version, the checking of the children was done through regular visits by the adults to the apartments, with an – approximate – spacing of half an hour, with the exception of the children of the PAYNE couple, that possessed a technological system of self control, via intercommunication ("baby listening").

Constitution of the group:

DAVID ANTHONY PAYNE – apartment 5H (first floor)
FIONA ELAINE PAYNE
DIANNE WEBSTER

RUSSEL JAMES O’BRIEN – apartment 5D
JANE MICHELLE TANNER.


pages 5 and 6

MATTHEW DAVID OLDFIELD – apartment 5B
RACHAEL MARIAMMA (sic) JEAN MANPILLY

GERALD PATRICK McCANN – apartment 5A
KATE MARIE HEALY



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APARTMENT 5C - 'VACANT'..



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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4857 on: December 23, 2019, 04:14:AM »
                 

(Inserted by Mike Tesko')

APARTMENT 5C - 'VACANT'..



It needs to be looked into, and established the period that apartment 5C, was vacated throughout the time either side of the official reporting by the McCann parents that their daughter had been 'taken'..…

Since..

Madeleines body could have been concealed in apartment 5C, sometime after her death, and before her absence from apartment 5A was alerted to, by members of the McCann entourage...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4858 on: December 23, 2019, 05:03:AM »
It needs to be looked into, and established the period that apartment 5C, was vacated throughout the time either side of the official reporting by the McCann parents that their daughter had been 'taken'..…

Since..

Madeleines body could have been concealed in apartment 5C, sometime after her death, and before her absence from apartment 5A was alerted to, by members of the McCann entourage...

Basically put, Madeleines body could have been moved (post it being behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A, the wardrobe inside the McCann parents bedroom, and the bushes in the poolside front garden) into the vacated apartment 5C until the evening of 3rd May 2007...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4859 on: December 23, 2019, 05:06:AM »
Basically put, Madeleines body could have been moved (post it being behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A, and the wardrobe inside the McCann parents bedroom) into the vacated apartment 5C until the evening of 3rd May 2007...

Why would Madelines body need to be moved into the vacated apartment 5C?
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