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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4575 on: November 18, 2019, 01:10:AM »
Gerald McCann claimed he was the last person in their group to see Madeleine alive and sleeping in her bed - this, he said was during his 9.05pm check of their apartment by him.

What he has said is a blatant lie - because she was already deceased and had died two / three days beforehand (1st May 2007 / 30th April 2007)
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4576 on: November 18, 2019, 09:47:AM »
What he has said is a blatant lie - because she was already deceased and had died two /three days beforehand (1st May 2007 / 30th April 2007)..

The reason why the McCann's held onto the body of Madeleine for two to three days was because of rigor mortis, and in particular, what is known as 'the rigid state'. Here is some information from Google which throws a new light on the faked Madeleine McCann abduction narrative..

8 - 12 Hours - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment, and notwithstanding the fact that they might not have been aware for the first 8 - 12 Hours that Madeleine had died. This being the case, and Madeleine did die in the apartment, there are strong reasons for believing that she may have died in the evening two or three days beforehand when the McCann parents were out drinking. They might have been drunk and gone straight to bed when they got in, and it is likely that they didn't realise until around breakfast time on the following morning that Madeleine had died, or that she was dead. By which time rigor mortice had arguably started to set in. A key clue as to the most likeliest timing of her death, must have got something to do with the victims body returning into its relaxed state, and a period of between 26 - 30 Hours, offset against the time they were going to raise the alarm that Madeleine had been abducted, for example, we now know that the alarm was raised by Mathew Oldfield at 9.05pm, and that a couple who were seated at a table in the vicinity of the terraced Tapas bar restuarant at about 9.15pm were overheard making a commotion about a little girl belonging to a couple who were guests at the Ocean club,  having gone missing from the family apartment whilst the parents were enjoying an evening meal in the nearby Tapas bar restuarant as offset by Kate McCann's narrative that it was her who had discovered Madeleine to have been taken which she only discovered whilst carrying out a 10pm check of their apartment. In total and depending upon which time was the actual time when somebody would be, or other, actually be the first person to raise the alarm, gives us something tangible to work with. We can therefore back track somewhere between the 26 Hours and 30 Hours from let's say 9pm and 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2007, and calculate the possible timing of Madeleine's death on the basis that those involved could not get rid of a dead body whilst ever it was in a fixed, and rigid condition of rigor mortis.


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4577 on: November 18, 2019, 03:25:PM »

8 - 12 Hours - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment, and notwithstanding the fact that they might not have been aware for the first 8 - 12 Hours that Madeleine had died. This being the case, and Madeleine did die in the apartment, there are strong reasons for believing that she may have died in the evening two or three days beforehand when the McCann parents were out drinking. They might have been drunk and gone straight to bed when they got in, and it is likely that they didn't realise until around breakfast time on the following morning that Madeleine had died, or that she was dead. By which time rigor mortice had arguably started to set in.

26 to 30 Hours after death is the stage in the process where the rigidity and stiffness of a corpse wears off -  which can be between 1 day and two hours, and to a maximum of 1 day and 6 Hours
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4578 on: November 18, 2019, 03:32:PM »
The first stages of rigor mortis starts at around 4 - 6 Hours after death, and ends after 48 - 60 Hours after death.



We need, therefore, to look at the significance of this 48 - 60 Hour period, and then compare the findings with the 26 - 30 Hour period concerning the onset and conclusions of rigor mortice, in the earlier example...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4579 on: November 19, 2019, 03:49:PM »
Two and a half days prior to 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2002, places the actual time of Madeleine McCann's death as having occurred somewhere between 10pm (48 Hours) and 4pm (60 Hours) on the 1st of May 2007 - as compared to the other version, for example 26 - 30 Hours..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4580 on: November 20, 2019, 03:14:AM »

8 - 12 Hours - body becomes completely rigid and stiff. This fixed state can last up until another 18 Hours. So between 26 and 30 Hours would have had to elapse before they could remove Madeleine's  body out of their holiday apartment,

The first stages of rigor mortice start at around 4 - 6 Hours after death, and the last stage ends after 48 - 60 Hours after death.

We need, therefore, to look at the significance of this 48 - 60 Hour period, and then compare the findings with the 26 - 30 Hour period concerning the onset and conclusion of rigor mortice, in the earlier example...

Why do we have two contrasting time periods relating to a possible time of death (working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann's body was not removed from the McCann apartment until the fixed and rigid state of her body had abated) - well, the reason why this is so is because there are various stages of rigor mortice to be taken into account (not just that the body takes on a fixed or rigid state)..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4581 on: November 20, 2019, 03:42:AM »

Why do we have two contrasting time periods relating to a possible time of death (working on the assumption that Madeleine McCann's body was not removed from the McCann apartment until the fixed and rigid state of her body had abated) - well, the reason why this is so is because there are various stages of rigor mortice to be taken into account (not just that the body takes on a fixed or rigid state)..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4582 on: November 20, 2019, 06:21:PM »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4583 on: November 20, 2019, 09:41:PM »
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Both McCann parents knew how important it was for the body of their daughter to be found or recovered, and the state of her body at such a time. The forced mistake that these parents made, in failing to report her death as it might have been found casts a huge shadow which hangs over Madeleine's whereabouts at one time or another..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4584 on: November 20, 2019, 09:48:PM »
If we seek to rely on the time frame ranging from 26 Hours -  30 Hours, we will as calculated retrospectively from 9pm and 10pm respectively on the evening of 3rd May 2007, end up with a potential date of Madeleine McCann's demise coming to a head. This produces a potential 'occurrence of the death' has having taken place between 6pm on the 2nd May 2007 (26 Hours) and 2pm on the 2nd May 2007 (30 Hours)..

Two and a half days prior to 10pm on the evening of 3rd May 2002, places the actual time of Madeleine McCann's death as having occurred somewhere between 10pm (48 Hours) and 4pm (60 Hours) on the 1st of May 2007 - as compared to the other version, for example 26 - 30 Hours.

Therefore, we can safely assume that Madeleine McCann died by whichever means or purpose, from as early as 4pm (60 - 48 Hours method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 6pm (26 - 30 Hours method of calculation) on the 2nd May 2007, or as the case may be between 4 am (60 - 48 Hour method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 8 am (26 - 30 Hour method of calculation) on 2nd May 2007..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4585 on: November 21, 2019, 05:05:AM »

Therefore, we can safely assume that Madeleine McCann died by whichever means or purpose, from as early as 4pm (60 - 48 Hours method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 6pm (26 - 30 Hours method of calculation) on the 2nd May 2007, or as the case may be, as late as occurring between 4 am (60 - 48 Hour method of calculation) on the 1st May 2007 and 8 am (26 - 30 Hour method of calculation) on 2nd May 2007..

Suggesting that Madeleine died inside apartment 5A somewhere in the time frame 4am (on 1st May 2007) and 8am (2nd May 2007)..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4586 on: November 21, 2019, 08:11:AM »
Suggesting that Madeleine died inside apartment 5A somewhere in the time frame 4am (on 1st May 2007) and 8am (2nd May 2007)..

To cut to the chase, no wonder then that the McCann parents have chosen to remain silent regarding their visit to Chaplins bar on the evening of 1st May 2007, and the suspicion which hangs over the creche records, covering the dates 2nd and 3rd May 2007. Additionally, the fact that the McCanns stopped going out for breakfast with their friends and children near to the beginning of their holiday, but chose instead to have breakfast in apartment 5A each morning...

All the pieces in the jigsaw are now falling into place, piece by piece..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4587 on: November 21, 2019, 08:20:AM »
Was it unusual for parents of the two youngest children of the McCanns,  not to have a pushchair amongst their belongings when holidaying in Portugal..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4588 on: November 22, 2019, 05:19:AM »
Was it unusual for parents of the two youngest children of the McCanns,  not to have a pushchair amongst their belongings when holidaying in Portugal..

Bear in mind also, the fact that McCann's associate 'Jes'  was on the scene with a pushchair (according to Jane Tanners account) around the time when Madeleine McCann was supposedly taken..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4589 on: November 22, 2019, 05:22:AM »
Bear in mind also, the fact that McCann's associate 'Jes'  was on the scene with a pushchair (according to Jane Tanners account) around the time when Madeleine McCann was supposedly taken..

Where is that pushchair now...
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