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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4545 on: November 03, 2019, 03:22:PM »
Gerald McCann did not return to the Tapas restaurant bar after his 9.05pm check of apartment 5A. He in fact, removed Madeleine’s remains from inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom and transported it into the garden / shrubbery on the poolside of the apartment 5A and Gerald McCann was the person seen by the Smith contingent as carrying the body of a child in his arms, close to the premises of 'LuzDoc' near the sea shore / beach at around 10.00 pm... '

Afterwards ( beyond the Smith contingent group sighting of him, carrying a young girl child at about 10pm) can only lead to the conclusion that the child he was carrying at that time, was either Madeleine (his daughter),  or Mathew Oldfield's daughter...
Where is the derelict building in relation to the Smith sighting, how do we know Gerald knew of its existence prior to May 3 2007 and why did the sniffer dogs used by Portuguese police the following day not detect her scent there?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4546 on: November 10, 2019, 01:57:PM »
Where is the derelict building in relation to the Smith sighting, very close by I will provide Google earth images to show this. Furthermore, the location where Sergey Malinka's car was subsequently burnt out, was in the same general area.. how do we know Gerald knew of its existence prior to May 3 2007 He would have been told about the derelict building by Robert Murat who had property sales and maintenance issues in Priai de Luz at around that time.. and why did the sniffer dogs used by Portuguese police the following day not detect her scent there? Because Madeleine's body was being carried, and not walking or running independently of another person..

The Smith sighting of Gerald McCann took place in the immediate vicinity of 'LUZDOC', and there was /is a chemist next door to the derelict building. All locations within a couple of hundred yards of one another..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4547 on: November 10, 2019, 07:59:PM »
The Smith sighting of Gerald McCann took place in the immediate vicinity of 'LUZDOC', and there was /is a chemist next door to the derelict building. All locations within a couple of hundred yards of one another..
But wasn't this sighting by the Smiths 45 minutes-1 hour after Madeleine had been reported missing? Why was Gerry allegedly holding onto her for all that time?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4548 on: November 11, 2019, 10:47:AM »
But wasn't this sighting by the Smiths 45 minutes-1 hour after Madeleine had been reported missing? The Smith sighting took place on the same side street where the 'LUZDOC' medical centre is located - at approximately 10pm on the 3rd May 2007. I believe that the general time of this event as referred to by Mr Smith and members of his family to be correct and true. It is the time of the discovery that Madeleine vanished / disappeared/ was taken or abducted has been manipulated. The earliest time it was known about that Madeleine was missing from the apartment was at around 9pm on that night when Mathew  Oldfield did his 9pm check, where in one of his accounts he did not enter the McCann apartment but instead only listened outside the McCann children's bedroom (steel shuttered) window at the roadside of apartment 5a. In his original version of this account he simply returned to the Tapas restaurant after this and told Kate and Gerald McCann that everything was quiet back in the McCann apartment (which caused Gerald McCann to rush back to his apartment and giving Mathew Oldfield the impression that Gerald McCann was upset and furious that he had done a check without the McCann parents knowing about it), and so off went Gerald McCann from the restaurant at about 9.05pm back to the McCann apartment. However, Mathew Oldfield gave a different account later on about that first check of his, when he said that on his 9pm check of the McCann apartment that he entered it via the patio door on the poolside of the McCann apartment, etc and that he went to the children's bedroom door and looked inside (elsewhere he claims that he did not enter the children's bedroom but that he only listened for any noise or movement at the bedroom door). But in an interview later on, he said that he went into the bedroom and saw the McCann twins in their cots but that Madeleine was was not there in her bed, and so he went to look in the parents bedroom to see if Madeleine had wandered off into there, only to find that Madeleine was in fact missing. It is worth noting that in this second account that Mathew Oldfield makes no mention about returning to the Tapas restaurant afterwards and informing the McCann parents that Madeleine was not in her bedroom, or the parents bedroom, or what one or other McCann parent did or how either reacted to being told by Mathew Oldfield that Madeleine was 'missing'. But what we do know is that Gerald McCann raced from the restuarant at 905pm and went back to the McCann apartment. This alerts me to the fact that it was Mathew Oldfield who discovered Madeleine to be missing, and not Kate McCann almost an hour later (around 10pm). I don't for one moment believe me that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas restaurant after after he had allegedly dashed off back to the family apartment at about 9.05pm - he was the person seen by the Smith family on the street where the 'LUZDOC' medical centre is situated, and Gerald McCann was not at back at the Tapas restaurant at and until 10pm. Why was Gerry allegedly holding onto her for all that time? He wasn't holding onto Madeleine's body all that (9pm - 10pm) time, her body was inside the wardrobe where the McCann's had concealed it and he moved it temporarily to some bushes below the patio on the poolside of the apartment, before carrying it away and it resulting in him being spotted by the Smiths at around 10pm on his way down to the coastline or the beach.

I will give other details later..

LUZDOC Medical centre and the Smith sighting location
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4549 on: November 11, 2019, 07:06:PM »
Here are the locations of specific events, involving the Smith sighting, and near the 'LUZDOC' medical centre,  Kelly's  bar, the derelict building next to St Vincents Church, and of course Chaplins bar.

Yellow Lines and X's showing locations relating to specific events embedded into this Investigation..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4550 on: November 11, 2019, 08:23:PM »
The location of this telephone box and a person seen acting strangely beside it on a few consecutive early evenings until the night that Madeleine McCann's parents alerted her as having been taken...

This phone box is situated half way or so, between the location of the Smith contingent sighting, and Kelly's bar where the Smiths had been drinking at, minutes before hand..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4551 on: November 11, 2019, 09:25:PM »
Just a short distance, from Kelly's  bar is the bull public house.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4552 on: November 11, 2019, 10:02:PM »
I will give other details later..

LUZDOC Medical centre and the Smith sighting location

Gerald McCann could not have been carring Madeleine's body in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre at the time of the Smith contingent sighting at 10pm, and also be back at the Tapas restaurant at the same time (he could not possibly have been in two different locations at the same time). In pursuance of trying to determine which truth is the real truth I have the following to say:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4553 on: November 11, 2019, 10:36:PM »
Gerald McCann could not have been carring Madeleine's body in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre at the time of the Smith contingent sighting at 10pm, and also be back at the Tapas restaurant at the same time (he could not possibly have been in two different locations at the same time). In pursuance of trying to determine which truth is the real truth I have the following to say:-

According to Mathew Oldfield and in one of his versions relating to his so called 9pm check of the McCann apartment it was he that raised the alarm that Madeleine McCann was not in her bed, she was not in the children's bedroom or anywhere at all including her parents bedroom because he had searched the McCann apartment before returning to the Tapas restaurant to alert to everyone that Madeleine was gone. There are no accounts of how he made his way from the McCann apartment and what his demeanour was when he returned to the Tapas restaurant just before 9.05pm (the time that Gerald McCann rushed back to apartment 5A in a bad mood) What we are being asked to believe is that Gerald McCann was upset that Mathew Oldfield had checked the McCann apartment at around 9pm without the McCann parents knowledge. As I say, the I do not believe that Gerald McCann returned to the Tapas bar restaurant after his 9.05pm check had been completed by 9.10pm which coincided with the departure of Jane Tanner from the restaurant and which created the opportunity for her to provide an alibi for Gerald McCann by saying that as soon as she had left the Tapas bar area at 9.10pm, how she had seen Gerald McCann talking at the roads edge talking to a male friend. Whereas McCann and his friend had no recollection of seeing Jane Tanner on the relevant matter...

I believe that Gerald McCann did not thereafter go back to the Tapas restaurant and be there at the time Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restuarant at 9.30pm to do checks of their own apartments, and the McCann apartment. If Gerald McCann had been upset that Oldfield had done a 9pm check of the McCann apartment, etc I can't see McCann allowing Oldfield to do the 9.30pm check in Kate McCanns turn...

A company executive overhead a commotion at one of the tables in the vicinity of the Tapas terrace at about 9.15pm, to the effect that a couple knew Madeleine McCann was missing 15 minutes or so before Mathew Oldfield got to his feet at 9.30pm to do a 2nd (further) check of the McCann apartment.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4554 on: November 15, 2019, 02:43:PM »


I believe that Gerald McCann did not thereafter go back to the Tapas restaurant and be there at the time Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien left the restuarant at 9.30pm to do checks of their own apartments, and the McCann apartment. If Gerald McCann had been upset that Oldfield had done a 9pm check of the McCann apartment, etc I can't see McCann allowing Oldfield to do the 9.30pm check on Kate McCanns turn...

I am as certain as I can be that Gerald McCann was not back at the Tapas bar restaurant when Kate McCann rose to go and do her 9.30pm check of her children inside apartment 5A. Also that when Kate eventually and supposedly got up from the Tapas bar Restaurant at around 10pm, that her husband (Gerald) was not present in there. It should be obvious to everyone by now, that the claim by Kate McCann concerning her discovering that Madeleine was missing at her 10 O'clock check, has to be a faked account. This is because she must have been made aware by Mathew Oldfield upon his return from his 9 O'clock check of the McCann apartment when he entered the apartment on that occasion and discovered Madeleine wasn't in her bed, and nor was she present in the McCann parents bedroom, and or anywhere else in the apartment. From there Oldfield had returned to the Tapas bar restaurant and alerted the McCann couple that Madeleine wasn't anywhere at all back in their apartment. Gerald McCann must have been concerned that Mathew Oldfield had entered the McCann apartment and been into the children's bedroom and also the McCann parents bedroom without their knowledge or permission. By that stage Mathew Oldfield already knew that Madeleine McCann was not in her bed, or her parents bed. Gerald McCann might have been worried that Mathew Oldfield had not only looked in the children's bedroom, and the parents bedroom, but also that he might have checked cupboards, wardrobes, and the sofa in the lounge, and if he had, and Madeleine's body was no longer where it had been concealed, who had taken the body from its hiding place?

But according to one of Mathew Oldfield's accounts, he hadn't looked into cupboards, or the parents bedroom wardrobe, or behind the sofa in the lounge.

In the meantime, with Gerald McCann away from the restuarant from about 9.05pm, that evening, it seems almost certain that Mathew Oldfield had also told Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner what had just happened and that Madeleine wasn't there in the McCann apartment, etc which caused Jane Tanner to leave the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10pm, concerned that Gerald McCann had been absent for a good five minutes and that this may be because he was searching for his missing daughter. When he may well have been moving Madeleine's body from its hiding place in the bedroom wardrobe, outside into the shrubbery / bushes of the front garden beneath the poolside patio belonging to apartment 5A..

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4555 on: November 15, 2019, 03:43:PM »


In the meantime, with Gerald McCann away from the restuarant from about 9.05pm, that evening, it seems almost certain that Mathew Oldfield had also told Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner what had just happened and that Madeleine wasn't there in the McCann apartment, etc which caused Jane Tanner to leave the Tapas restaurant at about 9.10pm, concerned that Gerald McCann had been absent for a good five minutes and that this may be because he was searching for his missing daughter. When he may well have been moving Madeleine's body from its hiding place in the bedroom wardrobe, outside into the shrubbery / bushes of the front garden beneath the poolside patio belonging to apartment 5A..

Jane Tanners account upon leaving the Tapas bar at around 9.10pm, was that as she exited the small reception of the Warner complex, she saw Gerald McCann and a male friend of his, a person with the Christian name 'Jez'  who were stood chatting to each other on the nearside pavement Close to a footpath which ran along the front edge of the apartment blocks (outside block 5 of the apartments) On the other side of this footpath was the Warner complex and its swimming pool. It is curiously Interesting that although Jane Tanner saw McCann and his friend 'Jez'  standing on the pavement on the nearside of the street chatting, that Gerald McCann, tells a different story, claiming that when he was talking to 'Jez',  they weren't standing on the nearside of the street, but that they were on the opposite footpath on the far side of the street (closer to block 6). Of further interest is the fact that the person 'Jez' had a pushchair with him.

On the Jane Tanner version of this event, Gerald Mccann  and 'Jez'  (with his pushchair)  were in close proximity to the location in the shrubbery / and bushes where soon afterwards or later on blood hounds and a cadaver dog gave a positive alert that a body had been concealed there in the shrubs / bushes. In my view, this is compelling circumstantial evidence which leads me to conclude that the dog alert to an area behind the sofa, in the lounge of apartment 5A probably occurred before Madeleine’s body was hidden away out of sight inside the wardrobe of the McCann parents bedroom, and that these were locations inside apartment 5A where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, and that the discovery of cadaveric traces of a dead human body in the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A by a reliance upon a trained dog alert was the last location in a sequence where the body was removed from the wardrobe where it had originally been concealed, after the body had been found behind the sofa.

Thereafter, Madeleine's body was removed from the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A, and disposed of in the next sequence of the events which I shall deal with shortly...

What I would like to know, is whether or not the pushchair which 'Jez' had with him at the time of Jane Tanners version of the event unfolded, was ever forensically examined by for traces of cadaveric trace, and or Madeleine's DNA..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4556 on: November 15, 2019, 08:27:PM »
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Thereafter, Madeleine's body was removed from the shrubbery / bushes in the front garden of apartment 5A, and disposed of in the next sequence of the events which I shall deal with shortly...
According to the an eye witness account, and independent of Mathew Oldfields alert to the McCann parents by at the very latest 9.05pm, that Madeleine had gone missing from the McCann apartment 5A and Gerald McCann having dashed back to his apartment upset and annoyed about what Mathew Oldfield had done and said and an executive employee overheard a couple making a fuss about a child who had gone missing from one of the guests apartments that very evening. This happened at about 9.15pm / 9.20pm. No information regarding the identity of this mystery couple has ever been made public knowledge. yet, surely the PJ must have asked the witness who this couple were, and if he could identify them. It wouldn't have been a hard task to fathom out the identity of this couple who had the information that Madeleine McCann had gone missing only a matter of some 15 minutes after Mathew Oldfield had discovered that fact himself. If true, that Mathew Oldfield was the first person to raise concern to the McCann parents about Madeleine not being in apartment 5A by 9.05pm at the very latest, then why would Gerald McCann claim that during his 9.05pm visit did he claim that he saw Madeleine asleep in her bed, and say that that was the last time he had seen her, and mention how beautiful looking she was on that occasion?

Where could Madeleine have been hiding during Mathew Oldfields 9pm check?

And in the seconds or a minute between Mathew Oldfield leaving the McCann apartment at the completion of his 9pm check, and the return to the same apartment by Gerald McCann at 9.05pm, how could there have been sufficient time in between Oldfield leaving 5A and McCann arriving there moments later for a dead body to have been behind the sofa in the lounge of apartment 5A,  then get moved into the parents bedroom wardrobe, and from there outside into the shrubs and bushes of the front garden of the McCann apartment?

I conclude, therefore, that Gerald McCann's version of the events is faked. He knows that Madeleine McCann is dead. He did not return to the Tapas bar restuarant after his departure from there at the completion of his 9.05pm check..

Oddly enough, another holiday maker or resident claimed that at sometime during the evening that Madeleine's disappearence was alerted to, that they observed Gerald McCann searching in the very same shrubbery and bushes where police dogs later positively alerted to a prior presence of a dead corpse having temporarily been concealed there...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4557 on: November 15, 2019, 09:12:PM »
I conclude, therefore, that Gerald McCann's version of the events is faked. He knows that Madeleine McCann is dead. He did not return to the Tapas bar restuarant after his departure from there at the completion of his 9.05pm check..

Evidence gleaned from two waiters or bar staff claim that by 9.30pm, that none of the Tapas group members were present at their booked dining tables. So where had they all vanished to half an hour prior to Kate McCanns 10pm alert?

By 9.45pm everyone of the Tapas group barring a middle aged lady had not returned to their dining tables...

Where was every body?

Where was Kate McCann , where was Gerald McCann, where was Jane Tanner, where was Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield?

So, it stands to reason THAT it was known about that Madeleine was going to be reported as missing, at least 55 minutes to an hour before Kate McCann introduced her 10pm alert..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4558 on: November 15, 2019, 09:17:PM »

Where was Kate McCann , where was Gerald McCann, where was Jane Tanner, where was Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield at 9.30pm, 9.45pm and 10pm?

It's with certain belief that Gerald McCann was not present at or in the Tapas bar restaurant at either 9.30pm, 9.45pm or rather more crucially at 10pm..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4559 on: November 15, 2019, 09:26:PM »
It's with certain belief that Gerald McCann was not present at or in the Tapas bar restaurant at either 9.30pm, 9.45pm or rather more crucially at 10pm..

He was in fact, the man seen by the Smith contingent carrying off Madeleine's body in the street in the vicinity of 'LUZDOC' medical centre, Kelly's bar and the beach,  near the local church and of course Chaplins bar, and the derilect building and its grounds...
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