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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4200 on: June 28, 2019, 06:57:PM »
In some footage taken of the parents leaving the church, both appear to glance across the road in the direction of the aforementioned building, and not at the camera crew who were filming them both...

At the time these footages were being filmed (2007),  nobody knew that this building was unoccupied, officially. It was the ideal location for the disposal of Madeleine's remains.

As part of the Portuguese police investigation into the possible whereabouts of Madeleine McCann, they searched the catacombs and underground tombs of deceased persons believing that the parents with the help of others had disposed of their daughters remains (without success). This was because the parents had sought sanctuary in the church at Luz soon after their daughters demise was eventually alerted to on 3rd May 2007.

It is my view, that the Portuguese police  came very close to finding the shallow grave inside which Madeleine's remains were concealed - they searched in vain on the wrong side of the road, at the church, not in and at the derelict building or the grounds of its rear garden..
Mike do you know anything about the three nocturnal people seen entering the church with a box..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4201 on: June 28, 2019, 10:46:PM »
Mike do you know anything about the three nocturnal people seen entering the church with a box..https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/610346/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Maddie-mystery-body-hidden-coffin-police-shock-claim
No, but thanks to 'ur input, I do now - it seems to make sense and justify why the Portuguese police searched tombs in St Vincent's church (Luz) catacombs...

The witness who reported these events has thus far remained unidentified, together with its detail...

If I were asked to identify who these three conspirators are / were, I would have to name the following three people:-

(1) - David Payne
(2) - Robert Murat

And?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4202 on: June 28, 2019, 10:49:PM »
No, but thanks to 'ur input, I do now - it seems to make sense and justify why the Portuguese police searched tombs in St Vincent's church (Luz) catacombs...

The witness who reported these events has thus far remained unidentified, together with its detail...

If I were asked to identify who these three conspirators are / were, I would have to name the following three people:-

(1) - David Payne
(2) - Robert Murat

And?

Witness 'x'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4203 on: June 28, 2019, 10:54:PM »
Witness 'X' turned out to be 'an informant'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4204 on: June 28, 2019, 10:55:PM »
'Serge Malinka'?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4205 on: June 29, 2019, 04:32:AM »
The investigations, thus far into the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann is fraught with suspicion..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4206 on: June 29, 2019, 04:40:AM »
The investigations, thus far into the alleged abduction of Madeleine McCann is fraught with suspicion..

It  wreaks to me, of a scam, or worse still, an attempt to deceive the general public at large, or manufactured with the intention of displacement of the actual truth introduced for political purpose...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4207 on: June 29, 2019, 12:07:PM »
I am mindful of comments made by each McCann parent, where they both said and say, 'The first 48 hours after Madeleine was taken from them, were the worst moments for them'...

I believe the 48 hours referred to, relates to the two day period before the time Madeleine's fate was alerted to. Therefore, Madeleine could have died sometime late on the 1st May 2007, or early hours of 2nd May 2007. I my instincts serve me right, it would mean as far as I am concerned, that by breakfast time on Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, that the parents knew that Madeleine had died, and that throughout the rest of that day, and until around 9pm on Thursday 3rd May 2007, the McCann parents hid Madeleine's body behind the sofa in the apartments living room, and at one time or another, they concealed her body in a large holdall in a wardrobe of the parents bedroom...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4208 on: June 29, 2019, 01:06:PM »
The contradictions in the crèche registers covering 2nd and 3rd May regarding Madeleine McCanns attendance there is something of a red flag, making it possible that by breakfast time on the morning of Wednesday the 2nd May 2007, that the parents must have known that Madeleine had died by that stage.

 I am sure that this was the first 48 hours being the hardest for the parents to have to deal with ( from around 10pm on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007 until around 10pm on the 3rd May 2007, when Madeleine's demise was alerted to supposedly by Kate McCann, rather then 48 hours following the 10pm alert raised by Kate McCann on the latter date..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4209 on: June 29, 2019, 02:42:PM »
It was at around 10pm, on Tuesday 1st May 2007 that the McCann parents and other adult group members left the tapas bar restaurant and went down to a pub near the coast, for late night revelling. This was the very same evening that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying in the apartment (5A) below hers. The cries of the child continued for a constant uninterrupted period of about one hour and fifthteen minutes. Mrs Fenn recollected that the crying only stopped after she heard the patio door of the McCann apartment slid open, which coincided with the child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'...

This incident occurred 48 hours before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken by 'them'...

For some as yet unexplained reason, there appears no account from the McCann parents or their colleagues regarding the late night visit to the bar, nor any mention of the time the group left..

This to my mind is a critical part of this mystery regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann, and more importantly when she died...

It is possible that when Mrs Fenn overheard the patio door of the McCann apartment sliding open at about 11.15pm on that Tuesday, 1st May 2007, that she mistook someone as one of the parents, simply because the crying ceased, and a child's voice called out, 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'..

It might depend upon whether or not, the child called out 'Daddy' in the context of a greeting, or if someone was frightening and hurting her..

What time did the McCann group leave the pub, and make their way up hill to their respective apartments?

With this in mind, I feel that Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying child, for a constant period of one hour and fifthteen minutes, which only stopped once she heard the patio door slide open, linked to the crying stopping and a child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy' could be the missing piece in the jigsaw..

If the McCann parents did not return to their apartment at the time their patio door slid open at about 11.15pm, in accordance with Mrs Fenns account, then it was someone else who either left or entered the McCann apartment. If this was true, it remains possible that Madeleine was sexually abused and then killed off late on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007. A fact not known about by the McCann parents until breakfast time on the following morning, Wednesday 2nd May 2007...

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4210 on: June 29, 2019, 02:49:PM »

It was at around 10pm, on Tuesday 1st May 2007 that the McCann parents and other adult group members left the tapas bar restaurant and went down to a pub near the coast, for late night revelling. This was the very same evening that Mrs Fenn overheard a child crying in the apartment (5A) below hers. The cries of the child continued for a constant uninterrupted period of about one hour and further minutes. Mrs Fenn recollected that the crying only stopped after she heard the patio door of the McCann apartment slid open, which coincided with the child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'...

This incident occurred 48 hours before Kate McCann alerted that Madeleine had been taken by 'them'...

For some as yet unexplained reason, there appears no account from the McCann parents or their colleagues regarding the late night visit to the bar, nor any mention of the time the group left..

This to my mind is a critical part of this mystery regarding what really did happen to Madeleine McCann, and more importantly when she died...

It is possible that when Mrs Fenn overheard the patio door of the McCann apartment sliding open at about 11.15pm on that Tuesday, 1st May 2007, that she mistook someone as one of the parents, simply because the crying ceased, and a child's voice called out, 'Daddy, daddy, daddy'..

It might depend upon whether or not, the child called out 'Daddy' in the context of a greeting, or if someone was frightening and hurting her..

What time did the McCann group leave the pub, and make their way up hill to their respective apartments?

With this in mind, I feel that Mrs Fenns account regarding the crying child, for a constant period of one hour and fifthteen minutes, which only stopped once she heard the patio door slide open, linked to the crying stopping and a child calling out 'Daddy, daddy, daddy' could be the missing piece in the jigsaw..

If the McCann parents did not return to their apartment at the time their patio door slid open at about 11.15pm, in accordance with Mrs Fenns account, then it was someone else who either left or entered the McCann apartment. If this was true, it remains possible that Madeleine was sexually abused and then killed off late on the evening of Tuesday 1st May 2007. A fact not known about by the McCann parents until breakfast time on the following morning, Wednesday 2nd May 2007...
The parents must have been aware that Madeleine was dead on that Tuesday morning. How had she died? Was it by strangulation or suffocation? Or, did she die from being drugged?

What were the parents to do?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4211 on: June 29, 2019, 03:15:PM »
Obviously, in this scenario, the McCann parents were not only a stone throw away from their apartment at the tapas bar at the time Madeleine was being assaulted / killed, they were much further away in a bar close to St Vincent's Church. Worse still, the McCann  group had told the restaurant staff that they needed to have a table every night because they had children sleeping home alone back in their apartments, the details being recorded in a register at reception, where  other members of staff had access to such information..

McCanns and their group ate their evening meal like normal at the tapas restaurant, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, but they did not stay to drink there, nor did they return to their respective apartments, but instead they went to Chaplin's Bar for late night drinks and partying...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4212 on: June 29, 2019, 05:37:PM »

McCanns and their group ate their evening meal like normal at the tapas restaurant, on Tuesday 1st May 2007, but they did not stay to drink there, nor did they return to their respective apartments, but instead they went to Chaplin's Bar for late night drinks and partying...

Whilst meanwhile back at the McCann apartment from at least 10pm until around 11.15pm, Madeleine was being traumatized...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4213 on: June 29, 2019, 05:44:PM »
Why did the parents distance themselves from the crying episode which occurred that evening (Tuesday 1st May 2007)?

If Madeleine had also been crying on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, and she had raised the alarm at breakfast time on the morning of Thursday 3rd May 2007, why didn't the parents realise that there was something amiss involving somebody other than them interfering with Madeleine, and potentially the other two siblings?

Why would you go out for an evening meal if there had been two consecutive evenings beforehand when Madeleine had been crying? Surely, they could have ate in the apartment, rather than leave their three children at risk, home alone?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #4214 on: June 29, 2019, 06:01:PM »
If we are to believe that on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007 that Madeleine McCann was abducted from apartment 5A, that would be one hell of a piece of badluck, since on three consecutive evenings Madeleine McCann, and the other two siblings had been at the peril of any would be sex offender /abductor when on each of these occasions the parents were absent, out wining and dining.

I am afraid this all beggars belief..

Madeleine could not have been crying on the evening of Wednesday 2nd May 2007, nor could Madeleine have made a brief mention to her parents at breakfast time why they hadn't come when she and Sean had both been crying? Moreover, Madeleine could not possibly have been alive at any stage on Thursday 3rd May 2007,
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