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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3855 on: March 12, 2019, 06:53:AM »
Also pertinent to the issues in this case, is the legally contractual theme that doctors, may not self medicate their own children, or members of their own family..

From this stance, this statutory provision, suggests in the strongest possible terms, the involvement of at least one or more of the other four doctors in addition to Kate and Gerry McCann, in being involved  in the administering of a fatal dose, the dosages in this matter of some form of medication being administered which led to Madeleine McCanns death..

The medication administered initially on the evening 2nd May 2007, the evening after the extended crying episode spoken about by Mrs Fenn (continuous crying which occurred on evening 1st May 2007, lasting one hour and fithteen minutes, ending at 11.45pm). As a result of the initial administering of the medication on evening 2nd May 2007, Madeleine developed adverse symptons, including vommitting, and severe drowsiness. This was the reason why on the morning of 3rd May 2007 that Kate McCann had to wash Madeleine's pink pyjamas. Worse was to follow, because before going out to the tapas bar restaurant on evening 3rd May, Madeleine was given a fresh dosage of the same medication which was the catalyst resulting in her death. She was still alive when the parents left apartment 5a to go to the tapas bar, but died in the McCann apartment prior to 9.15pm that fateful evening. Jeremy McCann did not enter apartment 5a at 9pm on evening 3rd May 2007, he simply listened outside the shutters of the patio door on the poolside of the building. Unfortunately for him Jez Wilkins saw him as he was coming up the street - he saw Gerry McCann coming down the steps at the roadside gate and chatted with him there in the street. The shutter at the patio door could only be lowered or raised by someone inside the apartment. This confirms that not only could he have entered apartment 5a at the time of his alleged 9pm check, but that Mathew Oldfield could not have entered the apartment by the patio door at the time of his purported 9.30pm check that same evening, because the shutter at the patio door was still lowered - who raised it, and when?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3856 on: March 13, 2019, 09:10:AM »
The patio door of apartment 5a on the poolside of the building could only be locked or unlocked inside the living room. Similarly, there was a steel shutter on the outside if the patio door, which could only be lowered, or raised by someone operating the mechanism inside the premises...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3857 on: March 13, 2019, 11:32:AM »
The patio door of apartment 5a on the poolside of the building could only be locked or unlocked inside the living room. Similarly, there was a steel shutter on the outside if the patio door, which could only be lowered, or raised by someone operating the mechanism inside the premises...

Gerry McCann changed a vital part of his statement concerning which door he supposedly entered apartment 5a at the time of his 9pm check on 3rd May 2007 - originally, he said he had entered by the road side door using a key. Something caused him to later alter this to him entering the apartment on that date and time via the patio door on the poolside of the premises. That alteration came about because Jez Wilkins had made a witness statement to PJ about what he saw leading up to the moment when he stopped in the street at the gate and the set of concrete steps,  which Gerry McCann had descended. When Gerry McCann found out that Jez Wilkins had made a witness statement to the PJ, he must have thought that he would say that he had seen him listening outside the patio door, prior to descending the concrete steps to the gate on the side street. So, he altered his account into the suggestion that he had entered his apartment at 9pm via the patio door on the poolside of the building. But, he couldn't have entered the apartment at 9pm via the sliding patio door because the metal shutters were locked in the downward position from inside the apartment. You can't raise the patio shutters from the outside. Furthermore, since you could not open the the patio door shutters from outside, you wouldn't be able to slide open the patio door behind the shutter to let yourself into the apartment. Gerry McCann, therefore, never entered the apartment at the time of his alleged 9pm check or that he had lingered for a moment and thought how beautiful she looked - it must follow that it is not possible for a view of her by him to have been the very last time he had seen her, and how beautiful she had supposedly looked on that alleged occasion..

The last time he saw Madeleine McCann was when he disposed of her body..

If the last time he had seen her was measured by the other fabricated alibi attributed to Kate McCanns 10pm check of their apartment, then you could say that the sighting of him by the Smith contingent was the last verifiable occasion he could have seen her, a number of sightings which took place at around 9.50pm that evening..

However, where did Gerry McCann go once he had got beyond the Smith contingency event?

To the beach?

To the road works and building site on the car park of St Vincent's Church?

The derelict building across the street from the church?

Search wasteland in search areas, 1, 2, 3 and 4?


With this in mind, not only could the last time he saw Madeleine have occurred during his 9pm check (for the reasons given), but 9.50pm when he was seen by the various Smith contingency, he must have looked at her body wherever and whenever he hid Madeleine's body. Yet, even this might not have been the last time he saw her, because of the belief that Madeleine's body had been moved additionally to a new location /reset elsewhere...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3858 on: March 13, 2019, 01:25:PM »
Because the metal shutter at the poolside patio door of apartment 5a was lowered, and locked internally, on the evening of 3rd May 2007, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jayne Tanner, nor Kate McCann, could have entered the apartment to carry out checks once the McCann parents left to go out dining at 8.30pm, or thereabouts. The only way to enter apartment 5a after that point would be through the road side door on the car park side of the building..

Gerry McCann
Russell O'Brien
Jane Tanner
Mathew Oldfield
Kate McCann

All the above have all made false witness statements, this means that they are responsible individually for perjury, and collectively for conspiracy to pervert the course of justice...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3859 on: March 13, 2019, 01:46:PM »
Witness Statement, of Rachel Manually, dated, 15th May 2007
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When they arrived at the restaurant at 20.45 the McCann couple was already there.

They were talking to a couple they knew from tennis, whose name she cannot remember. Jane was also there but she was not talking to them. The Payne family and Dianne arrived just after 21.00. Matthew bumped into them as he had gone to the apartment, but he did not enter, he just listened outside to see if there was any noise. He did the same at the Tanner and McCann apartments.

'The window shutters of the McCann's apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.'.


At about 21.00 they were all seated at the restaurant. At 21.05 Gerry went to check on his children and returned minutes later. Jane also went to heck on her children before returning.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3860 on: March 13, 2019, 01:54:PM »
Neither, Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner or Kate McCann state that they had to raise the patio door shutters prior to them having entered apartment 5a at 9pm, 9.30pm or 10pm...

(Rachel Mamphilly)

'The window shutters of the McCann's apartments were closed. The patio door that they used to enter the apartment also had its shutter closed. In order to enter they had to raise the shutter.'..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3861 on: March 13, 2019, 02:18:PM »
How could Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, and Kate McCann fail to remember that the patio door shutter of apartment 5a was set in the down position against the patio door, when the McCanns had left to go dining at 8.30pm on that 3rd May 2007, evening..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3862 on: March 13, 2019, 02:47:PM »
How could Gerry McCann, Russell O'Brien, Mathew Oldfield, Jane Tanner, and Kate McCann fail to remember that the patio door shutter of apartment 5a was set in the down position against the patio door, when the McCanns had left to go dining at 8.30pm on that 3rd May 2007, evening..

From the benefit of my wife and I staying at the Ocean Club in June 2010 (apartment 6a, Block 6), I had the benefit of seeing all the window shutters, and the patio door shutter, which was identical to the ones fitted at apartment 5a (block 5). These shutters could not be lowered or raised from the outside of our apartment windows, and indeed, no way that you could lower the patio door shutter outside on our balcony (6a , block 6). The only way you could lower the shutter to the patio door was from inside the living room of our apartment. You could not raise the patio door shutter, if you were outside on the patio balcony and someone had lowered the patio door shutter from inside our apartment. This shutter was identical to the patio door shutter fitted at apartment 5a (the McCann apartment)..

If you or I were on the outside of the lowered shutter of the patio door, either on the patio balcony of apartment 6a, block 6, or outside the lowered shutter of the patio door outside apartment 5a, neither you or I would have been able to raise either of the two metal shutters at apartments 6a ( block 6), or the McCann apartment (5a, block 5), without having to cause unmistakeable damage to the shutter in question...

It is a noisy exercise lowering and raising these shutters - you wouldn't want to be continually lowering and raising the shutter of the patio door of apartment 5a, with three young children sleeping soundly in their cots and bed beyond..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3863 on: March 13, 2019, 05:49:PM »
The claim that there were half hourly checks carried out at apartment 5a where entry and exit  was by way of the patio door on the poolside door cannot be remotely true - if any checks were made after 8.30pm when the McCann Parents left to dine out, any entry into apartment 5a would have required such a person to enter the premises through the road side door and require a key to unlock it when going in, and locking the door when exiting!

Consequently, the custodian(s) of the apartment keys to the front road side door at all times after the McCann Parents left the apartment at around 8.30pm, that evening - until the moment Madeleine's fate was alerted by one party or the other...

Kate McCann cannot have been the person who stumbled upon the fact that Madeleine was missing from apartment 5a after 10pm on the evening 3rd May 2007, because her disappearance was almost definitely known about prior to 9.30pm (the commotion about a missing 3 year old girl belonging to an Ocean Club couple, witnessed by an executive at around 9.15pm). By 9.30pm, the three couples who had been sitting at a table had all scattered from the tapas bar leaving articles of clothing behind which by 9.45pm Diane Webster was sat alone at the same table. The missing child being spoken about earlier (9.15pm) was known to belong to one of the three couples mentioned..

We can be be certain that included amongst the three couples at the table that Gerry McCann and Kate McCann were one of those couples..

So, where did Gerry McCann and Kate McCann disappear to by 9.30pm?

Where did Mathew Oldfield and Rachel Mampilly disappear to by 9.30pm?

Where did David Payne and Fiona Payne disappear to by 9.30pm?

Not to be overlooked, is the fact that by 9pm Mathew Oldfield left the tapas bar restaurant to go and hurry the Payne contingent along, because they were booked in at the same table as Gerry, Kate, Rachel and Mathew, since dinner was due to be served from 9.15pm onward. Diane Webster accompanied David and Fiona Payne when they eventually arrived at the tapas bar.

In between Mathew Oldfield leaving the tapas bar to hurry up the Payne's, and the Payne contingent arriving there (a few minutes after 9pm), David Payne had listened at the shutter of the bedroom window behind which were sleeping the three McCann children. Additionally, Mathew Oldfield  upon meeting the Payne's on route to dine out, he went beyond the point where their paths crossed, and he went to the same shutter to the bedroom window which David Payne had only moments beforehand had also listened at? We then find that Mathew Oldfield returns to the tapas bar restaurant and tells Gerry McCann that he has listened at the shutter of Madeleine's bedroom window suggesting that there be no need for Gerry McCann to do his 9pm check as a result. We find out that Gerry McCann takes offence at being told by Matthew Oldfield that he had been taking it upon himself to care about the welfare of the McCann siblings..

So, Gerry left the tapas bar and went to check the apartment 5a himself, offending Mathew in the process. Gerry called this his 9pm check, but it could have been around 9.05pm by the time he went to apartment 5a...

GerryMcCanns reaction could have been because prior to Mathew mentioning that he had listened at Madeleine's bedroom window, so too had David Payne who must have told Gerry McCann about this. Not surprisingly, from Gerry McCanns perspective being told by two different people that independently listened at the same shuttered bedroom window! Little wonder that he might have become suspicious..

We know that at 9.30pm, Diane Webster, was not present at the same table! But by 9.45pm, she was there, looking after the table and private possessions belonging to the absent couples (above).

Did Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner sit at a table of their own?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3864 on: March 13, 2019, 06:28:PM »

Did Russell O'Brien / Jane Tanner sit at a table of their own?

Maybe the fact that their own child was displaying symptoms of vommitting (like Madeleine McCann on the previous evening)?

Was Jane Tanner sat at the same table as the other three couples and Diane Webster, her place switched to Russell O'Brien, after she had finished eating her own dinner?

Eight people, therefore sat at the same table, three couples, and at one time or another, either Diane Webster and Jane Tanner, or three couples along with Diane Webster and Russell O'Brien..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3865 on: March 14, 2019, 02:51:AM »
Eight people, therefore sat at the same table, three couples, and at one time or another, either Diane Webster and Jane Tanner, or three couples along with Diane Webster and Russell O'Brien..

The claim that Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at some time after her evening meal had been served (dinner served to all and sundry from 9.15pm), suggests that Jane Tanner not only left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm because of her claim that she has been worried about how long Gerry McCann was away from the tapas bar at his so called check of apartment 5a, but she supposedly also left the tapas bar restaurant to relieve her partner Russell O'Brien back at their apartment in caring for one of their children who had been vommitting that evening on the proviso that after she had finished eating her own dinner, she was anxious to give O'Brien the opportunity to return to the tapas bar restaurant and get his meal..

Dinner was not served in the tapas bar restaurant until 9.15pm..

So, how long did it take for Jane Tanner to eat her dinner?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3866 on: March 14, 2019, 02:56:AM »

Dinner was not served in the tapas bar restaurant until 9.15pm..

So, how long did it take for Jane Tanner to eat her dinner?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3867 on: March 14, 2019, 03:02:AM »
Here lieth the stark truth in the matter...

According to the official dishonest team McCann narrative - Jane Tanner left the tapas bar at about 9.10pm, saw Gerry McCann talking to Jez Wilkins talking in the street. She also saw 'TANNERMAN', and proceeded to her apartment (where presumably, her partner and children were all present). That's all well and good, but at what stage or time did she return to the tapas bar restuarant to enable her to eat her evening meal which as is now known was not due to be served until 9.15pm (each evening)?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3868 on: March 14, 2019, 03:15:AM »
You see..

Being the diligent sort of character that I am, it puzzles me that (a) if dinner was not served until 9.15pm, or thereafter, and (b) by 9.30pm that or at which at least three couples had been served their evening meal, all and sundry had for one reason or another, all hurriedly left their table and gone back to the apartment (5a), at what stage did Jane Tanner return to the restaurant to enable her to eat her own evening meal (after 9.15pm), since she leaves the tapas bar area at 9.10pm (some 5 minutes before the meal to be served, is served), by allegedly eating her own meal prior to her then leaving the tapas bar restaurant in order to allow her partner (Russell O'Brien) to be able to be relieved from his caring duty back at their apartment so that he too could eat his own meal?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3869 on: March 14, 2019, 03:20:AM »
How many times did Jane Tanner leave the tapas bar restaurant that evening?

9.10pm, prior to dinner being served from 9.15pm..

After she had eaten her meal she returned to her apartment, to relieve O'Brien..

Well, my point is this -
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