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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3345 on: September 09, 2018, 07:50:PM »
There's a video here rejecting the cadaver dog evidence. https://youtu.be/VHZ1YDTc7sA

Thanks, I'll take a look later on tonight!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3346 on: September 09, 2018, 07:54:PM »
I've been paying particular attention of late to the 'armchair Detective' presentation of the facts concerning the use of the two dogs in the McCann case on YOU TUBE, I find his arguments rather compelling, as opposed to team McCanns interpretation..

Also..

take a look here:-

(1) -  http://www.mccannsnifferdogs.hol.es/
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3347 on: September 10, 2018, 08:19:AM »
There's a video here rejecting the cadaver dog evidence. https://youtu.be/VHZ1YDTc7sA

Yeah, watched it last night, it's always interesting to hear about another person's point of view, having said that in this case, however, the narrator appears to have got his facts wrong about both dogs being blood hounds, either that or I have not studied the true facts as in-depth as I thought that I had - in my understanding of the two dogs belonging to Grimes, one(Eddie) is a Cadaver dog, and the other (Keela) is the blood hound. From what I know the two Springer spaniels were never sent to search inside apartment 5a, at the same time. Neither did they both examine the Renault Scenic Hire Car together, and my understanding is that Grimes only used Eddie at the McCann villa, and on that occasion the McCanns had been prewarned that there was going to be a forensic search of the villa that day, and they left clothing in piles all over the place, which were subsequently placed into cardboard boxes, one box for each pile of clothing - the cardboard boxes that were used to transport the various piles of clothing had been checked beforehand to ensure there was no risk of accidental cross contamination related to any subsequent findings upon or to with any item taken...


I did not agree with several of the explanations given by the narrator of the video, he was too dismissive of everything and anything, continuosly relying upon the same statement which he repeated over and over again!

Let's take the work done by Eddie the Cadaver dog inside apartment 5a - no-one is claiming that this dog can tell the difference between the cadaveric scent of one dead person, or another, in specific terms. All Eddie did was detect a number of Cadaveric traces which gives an indication that there is, or there has been a dead human body at the place where Eddie signalled, or an item which came into contact with a recently deceased Cadaver! By the time Eddie conducted his routine at apartment 5a, the McCanns were no longer staying there, and so there was no possibility at that time, on that occasion, of Eddie being able to positively reacted to items of clothing containing the Cadaveric scent! The clothing belonging to Gerry McCann, Kate Healey and Sean McCann were positively reacted to much later, by Eddie, after these items of clothing had been removed from the villa which the McCanns were staying in later on...

I will deal with the Renault Scenic Hire Car in a moment..

But I would like to return to the work done by Eddie the Cadaver dog inside, and outside apartment 5a, where Eddie reacted positively to three key locations (1) on the floor in-between the bed and the cupboard in the parents bedroom, (2) not on the sofa in the living room, but on the floor immediately behind it, and (3) in the shrubs and bushes directly beneath the patio, on the poolside of the apartment..

It is possible, that Madeleine McCann died outside apartment 5a, not inside it..

Rather than believe 100% that she had died in the apartment, by some freak accident and that the parents concealed her body in their bedroom, on the floor between their bed and the wardrobe, and again on the floor, behind the sofa in the living room, I am much more inclined to believe that, either clothing which was being worn at the time of Madeleine McCanns demise, either worn by Madeleine herself, or clothing belonging to one or other of her parents, or both, and clothing which belonged to Sean, had been subsequently placed in these, those locations post any accident, or mishap! Alternatively, 'if' the parents are responsible for concealing Madeleine's body, it might be the case, that any bag containing the Cadaveric remains of Madeleine's passing over, soaked onto the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and soaked into the floor behind the sofa in the living room of apartment 5a. It was never possible for Eddie the Caveric canine to be able prove that it was Madeleine McCanns dead body which had been there on that part of the parents bedroom floor, in-between their bed and the wardrobe, in the same way it could never be proven that Madeleine's remains had been behind the sofa, based solely upon any positive reaction given by Eddie. Nobody is claiming that / this as far as I know, since we have all been made fully aware that where Eddie has given a positive reaction, it has to be treated as an indicator! Independent coroberative evidence is always required in order to sustain a firm belief that a body was there, and that the body was that of this person, man, woman or child, or not!

But, by the same token, it appears to me in the circumstances of this case, that there exists an array of indicators to satisfy the curiosity of the police to the fact that these two locations inside apartment 5a which Eddie the Cadaver dog reacted positively is sufficient enough to allow the police to think along the lines, that a missing persons body could have been temporarily concealed as part of the disposal stage in any act involving that person's suspected death!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3348 on: September 10, 2018, 08:34:AM »

But, by the same token, it appears to me in the circumstances of this case, that there exists an array of indicators to satisfy the curiosity of the police to the fact that these two locations inside apartment 5a which Eddie the Cadaver dog reacted positively is sufficient enough to allow the police to think along the lines, that a missing persons body could have been temporarily concealed as part of the disposal stage in any act involving that person's suspected death!

Which brings me, onto the confirmed fact that Eddie the Cadaveric canine, reacted positively amongst a bush and shrubs in the garden of Apartment 5a, situated rather conveniently beneath the patio on the poolside of the apartment - an ideal location to conceal the body of a small child in a bag, or a holdall, you might think? Not necessarily immediately after her death, her remains, or something which had come into contact with her remains, could have been the reason for Eddie the Cadaveric canine to react positively at that location, it might have been an item or items of clothing, an instrument used in the disposal of a body, a bag or a holdall which was being used, or had already been used to dispose of the body (I emphasize, not necessarily Madeleine McCanns body)..

So, with these things in mind, I now want to move on to the items of clothing that were removed much later on, from the McCann villa..

Eddie the Cadaveric canine only reacted positively to Cuddle Cat when Grimes went to the villa - he did not work Keela at the villa at all!

The boxes of previously piled items of clothing were taken to a forensic facility or place well away from the McCanns villa, and one by one each box of clothing was laid out on an underground carpark, which had previously been sanitized to eliminate the possibility of innocent cross contamination. Eddie went to work, examining item by item from each box, and failed to react at all to the contents of the first two or three box contents. However, a number of items which had all been placed inside another, and the same box provoked a positive reaction  from Eddie the Cadaveric Canine. These items included (1) a white vest belonging to Kate Healey, (2) a pair of checked ladies trousers, also belonging to Kate Healey, (3) a light blue 'Oniel' tee shirt belonging to Gerry McCann, (4) a red coloured motif top, (5) and pair of dark blue jogging bottoms belonging to Sean McCann...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3349 on: September 10, 2018, 08:57:AM »
At some point in time, all of these 'signalled' items of clothing would have been worn, washed, and in storage in apartment 5a, around the time, or shortly after Madeleine McCanns disappearance!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3350 on: September 10, 2018, 09:10:AM »
At some point in time, all of these 'signalled' items of clothing would have been worn, washed, and in storage in apartment 5a, around the time, or shortly after Madeleine McCanns disappearance!

This brings me to the fact that last night I sat and watched the video clip that I was recommended to see, which gives an alternative view to mine!

There was one particular part of the video, where the narrator was ridiculing the way which Eddie was supposedly signalling the presence of Cadaveric scent on the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom at apartment 5a - the narrator was saying that Eddie had his nose held high up inside the wardrobe when he was signalling, not low down in the bottom of the wardrobe, or on the floor space between it and the bed..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3351 on: September 10, 2018, 09:24:AM »
This brings me to the fact that last night I sat and watched the video clip that I was recommended to see, which gives an alternative view to mine!

There was one particular part of the video, where the narrator was ridiculing the way which Eddie was supposedly signalling the presence of Cadaveric scent on the floor in-between the bed and the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom at apartment 5a - the narrator was saying that Eddie had his nose held high up inside the wardrobe when he was signalling, not low down in the bottom of the wardrobe, or on the floor space between it and the bed..

Ok, Ok, Ok...

Look at this photograph taken by the Portuguese police, it shows Eddie the Cadaveric canine inside the bottom of the wardrobe, next to which is another photograph taken whilst the McCanns were still using the apartment, and it shows a pile of clothes, which are believed to be amongst the ones which Eddie signalled as containing cadaveric odour later on. Note the large canvas type holdall on the second shelf, it's big enough to conceal the body of a small child the position of the holdall on the second shelf is exactly the same location and height that Eddie the Cadaveric canine signalled inside the wardrobe.. .

Look, the clothing that was in this bag, has been removed and placed on the 1st shelf in the carriage, and the Holdall looks like it's got something else inside it!!!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3352 on: September 10, 2018, 09:32:AM »
Now, pay attention to the following photographic image that I am about to post, and consider whether or not, Gerry and Kate McCann had an accomplice, or whether, one or other, acted alone, or in a joint enterprise?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3353 on: September 10, 2018, 02:42:PM »
I am almost certain that I have seen at least one photograph of either Russell O'BRIEN, or Mathew Oldfield carrying a canvas type holdall which was identical to the one captured on the second shelf of the wardrobe in the McCann parents bedroom in apartment 5a. It would be an interesting exercise to find that photograph with a view to pinpointing the actual date that that photograph was taken!

I have a feeling that it was a photograph that was taken when either Russell O'Brien and or Mathew Oldfield turned up to be interviewed by the Portuguese police..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3354 on: September 10, 2018, 02:51:PM »
I will now deal with the examination of the hired Renault Scenic, by Eddie and Keela..

I believe I am correct in saying that Eddie signalled positively for traces of Cadaveric oduor, in the boot and the drivers side footwell and the ignition keys, and that Keela reacted positively to the ignition keys and the boot of the hire car!

Again, no-one is claiming that the Cadaveric odour presence in the boot, in the drivers footwell, and on the ignition keys, or that the human blood detected in the boot of the car, and upon the ignition keys to that Hired Renault Scenic motor vehicle, belonged exclusively to Madeleine McCann, or to any other person, because the work that these dogs do, can't go beyond giving a positive reaction or indication of a presence of Cadaveric odour, or a presence of human blood. Once this is either confirmed or disproved, the work from the dogs is completed and they are withdrawn!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3355 on: September 10, 2018, 02:52:PM »
I will now deal with the examination of the hired Renault Scenic, by Eddie and Keela..

I believe I am correct in saying that Eddie signalled positively for traces of Cadaveric oduor, in the boot and the drivers side footwell and the ignition keys, and that Keela reacted positively to the ignition keys and the boot of the hire car!

Again, no-one is claiming that the Cadaveric odour presence in the boot, in the drivers footwell, and on the ignition keys, or that the human blood detected in the boot of the car, and upon the ignition keys to that Hired Renault Scenic motor vehicle, belonged exclusively to Madeleine McCann, or to any other person, because the work that these dogs do, can't go beyond giving a positive reaction or indication of a presence of Cadaveric odour, or a presence of human blood. Once this is either confirmed or disproved, the work from the dogs is completed and they are withdrawn!

But..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3356 on: September 10, 2018, 03:04:PM »
But..

The positive signalling by either of these two dogs, provides indicators which can when considered collectively help the police to build up a picture around what they are dealing with - everything starts off at ground zero (apartment 5a), Cadaveric traces on the bedroom floor and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and on the floor behind the sofa in the living room, and extends to the shrubs in the garden on the poolside of the apartment, followed by items of clothing belonging to the parents (Kate's checked trousers and her white vest, and Gerry's light blue 'O'neil' tee-shirt and to one of their other siblings (Sean) the red coloured motif top and blue jogging bottoms, and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat (items which were in all probability had been worn or clutched by one or other, or each of them around the time of Madeleine's disappearance, ending up with traces of Cadaveric odour and blood in a hire care the couple rented some three weeks later
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3357 on: September 10, 2018, 03:36:PM »
The positive signalling by either of these two dogs, provides indicators which can when considered collectively help the police to build up a picture around what they are dealing with - everything starts off at ground zero (apartment 5a), Cadaveric traces on the bedroom floor and the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, and on the floor behind the sofa in the living room, and extends to the shrubs in the garden on the poolside of the apartment, followed by items of clothing belonging to the parents (Kate's checked trousers and her white vest, and Gerry's light blue 'O'neil' tee-shirt and to one of their other siblings (Sean) the red coloured motif top and blue jogging bottoms, and Madeleine's Cuddle Cat (items which were in all probability had been worn or clutched by one or other, or each of them around the time of Madeleine's disappearance, ending up with traces of Cadaveric odour and blood in a hire care the couple rented some three weeks later

I would invite everyone to consider the following scenario...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3358 on: September 10, 2018, 07:49:PM »
I would invite everyone to consider the following scenario...

Madeleine died outside apartment 5a, as a result of a fall from the patio wall, after both she and Sean had been crying constantly for over two hours, and a middle aged couple had already entered the McCanns apartment to try and comfort them. Two female holiday makers who were staying in one of the upper apartments of block 5 had a bird's eye view of the elevated patio area of the McCanns apartment, and garden on the poolside of the premises! These two women also had a clear view of the road and pavements which ran parralellel with the end of apartment 5a, as well as a clear view of a thoroughfare footpath that ran parralellel with the apartment gardens on the poolside! One of these two women was a barrister! They had booked a month long holiday at the resort, and most days and evenings and nights they had a rigid routine, which by 9.00am each evening they would both retire to the veranda of there apartment and relax whilst talking about the day's events with a glass of whiskey! Then at about 10pm each evening they would both retire to bed...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3359 on: September 10, 2018, 07:56:PM »
Madeleine died outside apartment 5a, as a result of a fall from the patio wall, after both she and Sean had been crying constantly for over two hours, and a middle aged couple had already entered the McCanns apartment to try and comfort them. Two female holiday makers who were staying in one of the upper apartments of block 5 had a bird's eye view of the elevated patio area of the McCanns apartment, and garden on the poolside of the premises! These two women also had a clear view of the road and pavements which ran parralellel with the end of apartment 5a, as well as a clear view of a thoroughfare footpath that ran parralellel with the apartment gardens on the poolside! One of these two women was a barrister! They had booked a month long holiday at the resort, and most days and evenings and nights they had a rigid routine, which by 9.00am each evening they would both retire to the veranda of there apartment and relax whilst talking about the day's events with a glass of whiskey! Then at about 10pm each evening they would both retire to bed...

They were knocked up out of their beds at about 11pm on the 3rd May 2007, by one or other members of the tapas 9 group and told that a child had gone missing from one of the other apartments on the block, and asked if they had noticed anything strange or unusual around the apartment block which might shed some light on what had taken place? Both women replied by saying that neither of them had seen anything unusual on that particular evening, and offered their help in searches which were already underway! Apparently these two ladies took part in the searching of nearby wasteland, and roads and footpaths without any success! They even looked inside Waste bins they came upon...
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