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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3300 on: September 07, 2018, 08:30:AM »
Linked to this, is the fact that by 9.30pm, a couple were overheard to be discussing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann by a tapas restaurant chef..

That couple couldn't have been the McCanns because they were never alone at a table together throughout the whole evening, there were always the other 7 tapas group members there with them at one time or another! The couple who were overheard to be talking about a missing child who had been taken has got to be the Carpenter couple! Otherwise, the McCanns would be in serious trouble, because they would have been found out promoting two occasions (9.30pm and 10pm) when Madeleine's disappearance had reportedly been alerted, half an hour or so a part from eachother!

Then again, if it had been the McCann couple who the chef had overheard talking about a child being taken at or by 9.30am, that half hour period between 9.30pm, and 10pm becomes a significant period during which it gave the McCann parents, one or other, or both, to get rid of Madeleine's body before they officially raised the alarm by way of Kate at 10pm!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3301 on: September 07, 2018, 08:33:AM »
With this in mind, this then brings into focus other important factors which have become part and parcel of the myth that is 'the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'..

For example:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3302 on: September 07, 2018, 08:43:AM »
With this in mind, this then brings into focus other important factors which have become part and parcel of the myth that is 'the disappearance of Madeleine McCann'..

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The following features spring to mind - (a) Gerry McCanns delay in doing his 9.05pm check of his apartment before his return to the tapas restaurant, (b) Jane Tanner's sighting of 'TANNERMAN', (c) the fact that the Carpenters could have left the tapas restaurant at 9.30pm, or thereabouts, (d) the fact that Kate allowed Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield to do a 9.30pm check, (e) Mrs Carpenter overhearing someone repeatedly calling out the name, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE', at the time she was crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar, (f) the sighting of Gerry McCann carrying Madeleine by the Smith family at about 10pm, towards the coastline, (f) the marked absence of Gerry McCann at apartment 5a immediately after the alarm was raised...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3303 on: September 07, 2018, 09:01:AM »
To my way of thinking, I see a mysterious link between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter as the chief pratoganists, with co-operation of the other 8 tapas group members, who all appear to have played a bit part in promoting the idea that Madeleine NcCanns disappearance was not alerted until around 10om!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3304 on: September 07, 2018, 09:02:AM »
'Tannerman' could have been Stephen Carpenter - 'Smithman' was Gerry McCann, or at a push could have been Stephen Carpenter!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3305 on: September 07, 2018, 09:06:AM »
I don't believe any would be abductor took Madeleine McCanns body out through the corresponding bedroom window and steel shutter, somebody deliberately staged that part of the case! Depending upon who was responsible for staging it has a bearing on their culpability regarding the demise of Madeleine...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3306 on: September 07, 2018, 09:13:AM »
I don't believe any would be abductor took Madeleine McCanns body out through the corresponding bedroom window and steel shutter, somebody deliberately staged that part of the case! Depending upon who was responsible for staging it has a bearing on their culpability regarding the demise of Madeleine...

The roadside door in all the apartment blocks, including block 4 where Dr Totmans apartment was situated, in block 5 where the McCann Apartment was situated, and in block 6 which was where I stayed during my 2010 visit to the resort, have fire locks fitted which basically includes a sort of metal knob or match that you just swivel around which automatically unlocks the lock so that it minimises the time in case if an emergency for occupants to get out of the apartments if there was a fire, for example!

This means that whoever is responsible for taking Madeleine McCann out if apartment 5a, had no need to open a window, and a steel shutter, they came and went by either the poolside patio door (unlikely in my view), or the roadside front door, which were either unlocked, or in the case of the roadside door unlockable!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3307 on: September 07, 2018, 09:22:AM »
I pin a lot of emphasis on Mrs Carpenters recollection that she heard a person calling out Madeleines name repeatedly at the exact same time that the Carpenters were crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar that evening. Her husband Stephen Carpenter puts that time at between 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, but I believe Mrs Carpenter overheard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name a little bit earlier, from say 9.05am, onwards, which coincided with the time that Jeremy McCann went to do his laboured check of apartment 5a...

I think it was Gerry McCann who was overheard to be calling out Madeleines name repeatedly, because he stumbled upon some tragedy or other, which had befell Madeleine, not inside the apartment, but outside, probable in amongst the shrubs beneath the patio area...

She must have slid open the unlocked patio door, and climbed up on a chair or a table or the wall intending to look for her mommy and daddy and had fallen to her death!

I believe Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements) is consistent with this having happened!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3308 on: September 07, 2018, 11:17:AM »
I pin a lot of emphasis on Mrs Carpenters recollection that she heard a person calling out Madeleines name repeatedly at the exact same time that the Carpenters were crossing the street after leaving the tapas bar that evening. Her husband Stephen Carpenter puts that time at between 9.15pm, and 9.30pm, but I believe Mrs Carpenter overheard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name a little bit earlier, from say 9.05am, onwards, which coincided with the time that Jeremy McCann went to do hislaboyred check of apartment 5a...

I think it was Gerry McCann who was overheard to be calling out Madeleines name repeatedly, because he stumbled upon some tragedy or other, which had befell Madeleine, not inside the apartment, but outside, probable in amongst the shrubs beneath the patio area...

She must have slid open the unlocked patio door, and climbed up on a chair or a table or the wall intending to look for her mommy and daddy and had fallen to her death!

I believe Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements) is consistent with this having happened!

If it wasn't Gerry McCanns voice calling out Madeleine's name repeatedly, as the Carpenters crossed over the street in earshot of what was taking place, it must have been either Jane Tanner, Russel O'Brien or Mathew Oldfield, since they were the only living souls not at the tapas bar at one time or another in-between 9.05pm and 9.30pm - the person who was heard to be repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, had to be one or other of the aforementioned individuals! They all knew Madeleine personally, and ' Madeleine' was familiar with all of them'...

The only other persons I could introduce into this scenario (a part from Stephen Carpenter, and Mrs Carpenter herself), would be Jez Wilkins, David Payne and Robert Murat...

I do not see Madeleine's disappearance being linked to a burglary that went wrong!

Madeleine was taken out of apartment 5a whichever way you might want to look at it, and everything points toward somebody who knew her, trying to get some sort of a response from her, or an encouragement to come along with them, at the time of Mrs Carpenters recollection!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3309 on: September 07, 2018, 11:18:AM »
Where is Mrs Carpenters Portuguese witness statement?

Where is her Leicestershire police witness statement?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3310 on: September 07, 2018, 11:19:AM »
Where is Mrs Carpenters Portuguese witness statement?

Where is her Leicestershire police witness statement?

Is she classed as a vulnerable adult?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3311 on: September 07, 2018, 11:22:AM »
In any event, Mrs Carpenters observation that she distinctly heard someone calling out Madeleine McCanns Christian name, is pivotal to the entire case, since it was obviously the voice of the person who found Madeleine, or the voice of someone about to take her out of the apartment never to return?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3312 on: September 07, 2018, 11:25:AM »
In any event, Mrs Carpenters observation that she distinctly heard someone calling out Madeleine McCanns Christian name, is pivotal to the entire case, since it was obviously the voice of the person who found Madeleine, or the voice of someone about to take her out of the apartment never to return?

At the time of Mrs Carpenters observation, 'Madeleine' McCann was already dead, or still alive!

Was the voice she heard calling out the Christian name 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' a female voice, or a male voice? Or was it a mixture, of let's say two different voices calling out Madeleine's Christian name?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3313 on: September 07, 2018, 11:37:AM »
At the time of Mrs Carpenters observation, 'Madeleine' McCann was already dead, or still alive!

Was the voice she heard calling out the Christian name 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' a female voice, or a male voice? Or was it a mixture, of let's say two different voices calling out Madeleine's Christian name?

The answer to these questions is pivotal in the truth being discovered about what really did happen to Madeleine McCann..

If the voice that Mrs Carpenter had heard that was calling out repeatedly 'Madeleine, Madeleine, Madeleine' was a male voice, it focusses attention on the three male members of the tapas 9 group who were absent from the tapas bar and restaurant during the period in time when the Carpenters claimed they had left the tapas bar to return back to their own apartment! Similarly, if the voice which Mrs Carpenter had heard was the voice of a woman, then again, this would place the focus upon Jane Tanner, or as the case may be, upon Kate McCann herself! Additionally, if Mrs Carpenter heard the voices of a man and a woman calling out Madeleine's Christian name, over and over again, it could point to a joint enterprise involving either, Jane Tanner and Russell O'Brien, or if Mrs Carpenters account (via her husband's witness statements that he made to both the Portuguese police and Leicestershire police) is nothing far short of a faked narrative, designed to extract any involvement on the part of her husband Stephen Carpenter and herself of involvement from the proceedings, were the Carpenters responsible for removing Madeleine from apartment 5a, and were they the mystery couple who had supposedly entered apartment 5a on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3314 on: September 07, 2018, 11:41:AM »
Why didn't the Portuguese police take a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?

Similarly, why didn't Leicestershire police obtain a witness statement from Mrs Carpenter?
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