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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3285 on: September 06, 2018, 09:31:PM »
According to witness statements made by all the members of the tapas group who reacted to Kate McCanns alarm being raised at 10pm, Almost every member to a man makes no reference of Gerry McCann attending or being present at the apartment (5a) after Kate raised the 10pm alarm...

The first time Gerry McCann gets a mention after Kate alerted everyone, was when he introduced himself into the narrative by claiming that he asked one of the tapas group to go to the main reception and report Madeleine's disappearence, but other evidence given by the group exclude Gerry McCann from having any involvement in the decision to alert reception! This is significant because it places Gerry McCann elsewhere at around 10pm, when Kate returns to the tapas bar to raise the alarm! Every indication is that Gerry McCann wasn't present at the tapas bar at 10pm when Kate went to do her check, or when she returned to raise the alarm of Madeleine's disappearance! Furthermore, he wasn't there at the apartment when Kate and others rushed back there...

Gerry McCann was almost certainly elsewhere, and it falls to be taken seriously that he could have been, or was 'SMITHMAN', who was carrying a child in his arms heading towards the coastline, the village church, and the derelict building at 5 Av desporades..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3286 on: September 06, 2018, 09:38:PM »
The first time Gerry McCann gets a mention after Kate alerted everyone, was when he introduced himself into the narrative by claiming that he asked one of the tapas group to go to the main reception and report Madeleine's disappearence, but other evidence given by the group exclude Gerry McCann from having any involvement in the decision to alert reception! This is significant because it places Gerry McCann elsewhere at around 10pm, when Kate returns to the tapas bar to raise the alarm! Every indication is that Gerry McCann wasn't present at the tapas bar at 10pm when Kate went to do her check, or when she returned to raise the alarm of Madeleine's disappearance! Furthermore, he wasn't there at the apartment when Kate and others rushed back there...

Gerry McCann was almost certainly elsewhere, and it falls to be taken seriously that he could have been, or was 'SMITHMAN', who was carrying a child in his arms heading towards the coastline, the village church, and the derelict building at 5 Av dos Pescadores, Praia Luz, Faro District..

But..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3287 on: September 06, 2018, 09:39:PM »
But..

It is also possible that 'SMITHMAN' was or could have been Stephen Carpenter...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3288 on: September 06, 2018, 09:48:PM »
Raising the alarm at 9.30pm, and 10pm, suggests to me the possible involvement of Stephen Carpenter with Gerry McCann...

Or vice versa..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3289 on: September 06, 2018, 10:18:PM »
There's an old saying, 'loose lips, sink ships', and if I am not mistaken, somebody who was dining at the tapas restaurant bar knew something about the disappearence of Madeline McCann a good half an hour or more before Kate McCann officially raised the alarm at around 10pm..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3290 on: September 06, 2018, 10:30:PM »
There's an old saying, 'loose lips, sink ships', and if I am not mistaken, somebody who was dining at the tapas restaurant bar knew something about the disappearence of Madeline McCann a good half an hour or more before Kate McCann officially raised the alarm at around 10pm..

I believe that reference to the disappearence of Madeleine was overheard by a tapas restaurant chef around half an hour before Kate officially raised the alarm, involved Stephen Carpenter who then left the tapas bar to supposedly go back to his apartment - but that he took Madeleine's body away from apartment 5a, shortly after Russel O'Brien / Mat Oldfield had done their 9.30am check of the same!

'TANNERMAN' was almost certainly Stephen Carpenter, heading away from apartment 5a, and making his way in the general direction of his own apartment...

'TANNERMAN' could not have been Dr Totmans, because when Totmans collected his child from the evening creche, he wouldn't have been walking in the opposite direction across the top of the road junction to where his apartment was situated or located - the Scotland yard claim that 'TANNERMAN' has now been eliminated from all enquiries is a red herrin'...

Stephen Carpenter was almost certainly 'TANNERMAN'..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3291 on: September 06, 2018, 10:36:PM »
To my way of thinking, there must have been some form of collusion between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter in the disappearence of Madeleine McCann, where Carpenter removed Madeleine's body from apartment 5a, before handing over the body of Madeleine to Gerry McCann who had made his way down to a prior arranged meeting place, where Madeleine's body would exchange hands, and enable Gerry McCann to be seen by the Smith contingent by around 10pm..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3292 on: September 06, 2018, 10:48:PM »
To my way of thinking, there must have been some form of collusion between Gerry McCann and Stephen Carpenter in the disappearence of Madeleine McCann, where Carpenter removed Madeleine's body from apartment 5a, before handing over the body of Madeleine to Gerry McCann who had made his way down to a prior arranged meeting place, where Madeleine's body would exchange hands, and enable Gerry McCann to be seen by the Smith contingent by around 10pm..

There may well have been prior arrangements for a second meeting point lower down towards the coastline, where Carpenter went there after handing over Madeleine's body let's say in the vicinity of the Baptista shop, and by a different route, was already in position in the rear garden of the derelict building to enable Gerry McCann to wait for an opportunity to be able to encroach on a patios area alongside the Black Bull public house, and lower Madeleines body into Stephen Carpenters arms! Thereafter Gerry would have walked the relatively short distance around the roads to end up by a gap in the perimeter fence at the front of the derelict building (5a Av. dos pescadores), enabling him to slip unnoticed into the grounds of the derelict building where Carpenter and McCann concealed her body..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3293 on: September 07, 2018, 06:52:AM »
There is something rather perculiar in the way that there is no mention at all about Stephen Carpenter in any witness statements made by Gerry or Kate McCann, or by any of the other 7 tapas group members, despite Carpenter himself making mention that he knew Gerry McCann very well, that he had played tennis with him on the afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, ate at the tapas Restaurant with them, shared banter with him over drinks, and that he it was who had introduced Robert Murat to the McCanns so that he could be an unofficial interpreter between the McCann parents and the Portuguese police..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3294 on: September 07, 2018, 06:58:AM »
There is something rather perculiar in the way that there is no mention at all about Stephen Carpenter in any witness statements made by Gerry or Kate McCann, or by any of the other 7 tapas group members, despite Carpenter himself making mention that he knew Gerry McCann very well, that he had played tennis with him on the afternoon on the day of Madeleines disappearance, ate at the tapas Restaurant with them, shared banter with him over drinks, and that he it was who had introduced Robert Murat to the McCanns so that he could be an unofficial interpreter between the McCann parents and the Portuguese police..

And why is Stephen Carpenters witness statement to the Portuguese police withheld and unisclosed - what is so significant regarding what Stephen Carpenter has said in his witness statement that neither Stephen Carpenter himself, or the Portuguese police want anyone to get sight of, or to find out about?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3295 on: September 07, 2018, 07:26:AM »
All we know is that he made an original witness statement to the Portuguese police the contents of which remain undisclosed, and that the McCann parents don't even raise any questions at all about this fact - why?

Carpenter was questioned by Leicestershire police, regarding points he had made in the undisclosed Portuguese police statement, the gist of which appears to be about the finer details involving how he (Stephen Carpenter) first met Robert Murat and how it came about when he in turn introduced Murat to the McCanns for the first occasion on the morning of 4th May 2007, as well as, reference to how long he (Stephen Carpenter) had played tennis with Gerry McCann between around 2pm until 4.30pm on the afternoon of Madeleine's disappearance! And then of course, Carpenter gave an account about he and his wife and two children eating out at the tapas restaurant bar in a pre-booking slot of 7pm and claiming that by the time they (the Carpenter family, 2+2) got to the tapas restaurant on the evening of Thursday the 3rd May 2007, that the McCanns and all the other members of the tapas group were already there, which going on the McCann parents version of events could not possibly be true because according to them (the McCanns) they did not leave their apartment (5a) until 8.30am to go to the tapas restaurant to partake in their pre-booked evening meal! In addition we have Stephen Carpenter telling Leicestershire Constabulary in his witness statement that around 9.15pm to 9.30pm that Thursday evening after they had left the tapas bar to return to their own apartment (situated close to the Murat Villa), and as they were crossing the road from the small Ocean Club restaurant reception side of the road, close to the McCanns apartment 5a, his wife had heard someone repeatedly calling out the name, 'MADELEINE, MADELEINE, MADELEINE'...

Now this is of significant interest not only to the McCann parents, or themselves (the Carpenters), or to the Portuguese police, or to everybody and anybody who has been gripped and disturbed by the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, including myself - we all want to know what happened to her that on that evening!

Well, I think this reference to Stephen Carpenters wife overhearing someone repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, as they were crossing the road to go back to their apartment is truly an astonishing piece of evidence which upon careful consideration opens up new possibilities regarding how (if) Madeleine McCann disappeared out of Apartment 5a that evening...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3296 on: September 07, 2018, 07:34:AM »

Well, I think this reference to Stephen Carpenters wife overhearing someone repeatedly calling out Madeleine's name, as they were crossing the road to go back to their apartment is truly an astonishing piece of evidence which upon careful consideration opens up new possibilities regarding how (if) Madeleine McCann disappeared out of Apartment 5a that evening...

For a start the time range of the leaving of the Carpenter entourage from the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.30pm becomes pivotal in trying to fathom out when Madeleine was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment (5a), because it puts Madeleine McCann possibly outside the apartment and fully conscious at a particular point during the 15 minutes of opportunity between 9.15am and 9.30pm, when the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Madeleine McCann must have been outside the McCann Apartment at that time, along with somebody who was calling out her name over and over again, and again?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3297 on: September 07, 2018, 07:43:AM »
For a start the time range of the leaving of the Carpenter entourage from the tapas bar between 9.15pm and 9.30pm becomes pivotal in trying to fathom out when Madeleine was 'taken' from the McCanns apartment (5a), because it puts Madeleine McCann possibly outside the apartment and fully conscious at a particular point during the 15 minutes of opportunity between 9.15am and 9.30pm, when the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Madeleine McCann must have been outside the McCann Apartment at that time, along with somebody who was calling out her name over and over again, and again?

The person who was calling out Madeleine's name, obviously knew Madeleine very well, and was either repeatedly calling out her name because she had had some sort of an accident where maybe she had been found amongst the shrubs beneath the patiod area above after she had climbed up there and fallen off, and somebody, possibly either Gerry McCann, Russell O'Bruen or May Oldfield were attempting to bring her around, or else Madeleine was being encouraged to leave Apartment 5a by someone who knew her, and who she knew herself!

On this scenario, the following suspects fall under scrutiny -(1) Gerry McCann himself, (2) Russell O'Brien, (3) Mathew Oldfield, (4) Jane Tanner, (5) Jez Wilkins, and (6) Stephen Carpenter...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3298 on: September 07, 2018, 08:13:AM »

On this scenario, the following suspects fall under scrutiny - (1) Gerry McCann himself, (2) Russell O'Brien, (3) Mathew Oldfield, (4) Jane Tanner, (5) Jez Wilkins, and (6) Stephen Carpenter...

These six people (excluding Mrs Carpenter who heard someone repeatedly calling out Madeleines name) are the only known about persons who were not present back at the tapas bar any time between 9.05am and 9.30pm that Thursday evening! Gerry McCann was doing his check and got delayed for one reason or another, and en route back to join the others at the tapas restaurant he got way laid by Jez Wilkins who was pushing a pram! Then we have Jane Tanner leaving the tapas bar and she seeing Gerry and Jez engaged in conversation at the roadside, and then she seeing 'TANNERMAN' walking across the top of the junction, carrying a child in his arms, walking briskly along from left to right, leaving the general area of the McCanns apartment (5a) behind him, and walking off in the general direction of the Carpenter apartment, and or the Murat Villa! At 9.30am it was Russell O'Brien and Matt Oldfield to leave the tapas bar and supposedly check on the McCanns apartment (5a)...

Now, when Stephen Carpenter said that he and his family had left the tapas bar restaurant that night, somewhere between or around 9.15pm - 9.30am, he told Leicestershire police in his witness statement that there was no-one else visibly present in the street either before they crossed the street, or afterwards! So, this can't have been when either Gerry McCann was in the street alone, or when Gerry McCann was stood talking to Jez Wilkins in the same street, as attested to in one way or a other by both Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins themselves! The Carpenters couldn't have already left the tapas bar and find themselves crossing over onto the other side of the street in close proximity to apartment 5a when for example, Jane Tanner took it upon herself to leave the tapas restaurant and bar, and saw Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins talking in the street, before seeing 'TANNERMAN' walking across the street junction carrying a child in his arms (I am mindful that Stephen Carpenter, himself was, or could have been 'TANNERMAN' at the time of this sighting! Moving forward, the Carpenters could not have been crossing the street when Russell O'BRIEN and Matt Oldfield walked out of the small Ocean Club reception and up hill towards the McCann Apartment at 9.30pm..

And so, a humongous question mark hangs over the activity surrounding the presence and absences, of the variously named people, who were either present at the tapas restaurant bar, or out and about, checking apartments, or collecting children, and going back to their own apartments!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3299 on: September 07, 2018, 08:14:AM »
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And so, a humongous question mark hangs over the activity surrounding the presence and absences, of the variously named people, who were either present at the tapas restaurant bar, or out and about, checking apartments, or collecting children, and going back to their own apartments!

Everything is pointing to a possible involvement of Stephen Carpenter, and or Gerry McCann, or both of them in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from apartment 5a that night!
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