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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3120 on: August 03, 2018, 09:24:PM »
The restaurant chef who reports that he heard a commotion involving a couple at one of the tables, must have overheard some sort of a dispute, or an argument involving the Carpenter couple at around 21.20hrs, concerning the soon to be missing Madeleine McCann! It can't possibly have had anything to do whatsoever with the news being broken at 10pm when Kate Healey returned to the tapas restaurant, screaming or shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone' because that didn't happen until some 40 minutes afterwards!

The chef must have been referring to a conversation, or disagreement about the way with which the Carpenters were planning to snatch Madeleine, who was effectively home alone!

It is very telling, in my opinion, that Stephen Carpenter states that his family left the tapas restaurant between 9.15pm and 9.30pm - after the noted return of Gerry McCann after his 9.05pm check and his delayed return due to bumping into Jez Wilkins in the street which delayed his return to the restaurant by 5 - 10 minutes. As if this was the signal for the Carpenters to carry out the taking of Madeleine McCann, like clockwork the Carpenters left the tapas bar restaurant as Gerry McCann returned!

The Carpenters may have thought by that stage that they had at least another 30 minutes before the parents or a member of the tapas nine group did their next check, but little did they know that by 9.30pm Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield volunteered to check apartment 5A whilst en route to do a check of their own children...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3121 on: August 03, 2018, 09:33:PM »
It is worth noting, that it was around this time (9.15pm to 9.30pm) that Stephen Carpenter claims that he and the rest of his family crossed the street after leaving the Ocean club reception, and that he saw no-one in the street at that time, only noticing a number of motor vehicles that were parked up at the kerb in the street on the McCann Apartment and Ocean club reception side of the road....

In particular he mentions seeing what he thought was a black coloured Ford Focus parked up there..

Thereupon having crossed the street en route back to their apartment, how his wife had overheard someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

Well, this is astonishing, because what we don't yet know, is whether this very telling piece of evidence, was spoken about by Madeleine McCanns abductor, before Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield did their 9.30pm check, or afterwards?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3122 on: August 03, 2018, 09:43:PM »
It is worth noting, that it was around this time (9.15pm to 9.30pm) that Stephen Carpenter claims that he and the rest of his family crossed the street after leaving the Ocean club reception, and that he saw no-one in the street at that time, only noticing a number of motor vehicles that were parked up at the kerb in the street on the McCann Apartment and Ocean club reception side of the road....

In particular he mentions seeing what he thought was a black coloured Ford Focus parked up there..

Thereupon having crossed the street en route back to their apartment, how his wife had overheard someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...

Well, this is astonishing, because what we don't yet know, is whether this very telling piece of evidence, was spoken about by Madeleine McCanns abductor, before Russell O'Brien and Mathew Oldfield did their 9.30pm check, or afterwards?

Based upon what O'Brien / Oldfield say about the check that was made at 9.30pm, there is no way of knowing or telling whether or not Madeleine had been taken by that stage or not?

The best we can hazard a guess at is that if the Carpenters had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance, is that it occurred at around 9.30pm, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who crept into apartment 5A intent on abducting Madeleine McCann! His wife would have been outside the window through which her husband would hand over to her Madeleines body, I believe that during this process I believe that Madeline may have started to stir from her sleep, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who attempted to pacify her by saying her name over and over, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which were the words his wife heard him saying...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3123 on: August 03, 2018, 09:44:PM »
Based upon what O'Brien / Oldfield say about the check that was made at 9.30pm, there is no way of knowing or telling whether or not Madeleine had been taken by that stage or not?

The best we can hazard a guess at is that if the Carpenters had anything whatsoever to do with Madeleine McCanns disappearance, is that it occurred at around 9.30pm, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who crept into apartment 5A intent on abducting Madeleine McCann! His wife would have been outside the window through which her husband would hand over to her Madeleines body, I believe that during this process I believe that Madeline may have started to stir from her sleep, and that it was Stephen Carpenter who attempted to pacify her by saying her name over and over, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which were the words his wife heard him saying...

If true, one of two things happened...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3124 on: August 03, 2018, 09:48:PM »
If true, one of two things happened...

First and foremost, Madeleine McCanns body was taken back to the Carpenter apartment, or secondly, once Stephen Carpenter had extracted himself from the bedroom window through which Madeleine mcCanns body had been handed out, that Stephen Carpenter was the person who was seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine's body down towards the beach at around 10pm, his wife had returned to their apartment to tend to their own children..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3125 on: August 03, 2018, 09:53:PM »
Stephen Carpenter killed Madeleine McCann inside the derelict building and subsequently buried her remains in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building! If true, then the clothing I photographed during my search of those premises and rear garden may well have been clothing worn by Stephen Carpenter when he disposed of Madeleine McCann!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3126 on: August 03, 2018, 10:12:PM »
Stephen Carpenter killed Madeleine McCann inside the derelict building and subsequently buried her remains in a shallow grave situated in a hollow at the back left hand corner of the rear garden of the derelict building! If true, then the clothing I photographed during my search of those premises and rear garden may well have been clothing worn by Stephen Carpenter when he disposed of Madeleine McCann!

He needs to be urgently arrested, and interviewed at length before being charged - everything points to his involvement in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3127 on: August 03, 2018, 10:14:PM »
Scotland yard need to arrest Stephen John Carpenter and his wife Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, on suspicion of the abduction and murder of Madeleine McCann...

I wonder why he has split up from his wife?

Did she die in some sort of an accident, once they returned to Stevenage?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3128 on: August 04, 2018, 09:14:AM »
According to Scotland yard the man seen carrying a child in his arms across the road junction by Jane Tanner has been eliminated...

But, the person has not been publicly identified!

This is unacceptable, since and because this case has so much public interest the public at large have a right to know who this gentleman was!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3129 on: August 04, 2018, 09:16:AM »
According to Scotland yard the man seen carrying a child in his arms across the road junction by Jane Tanner has been eliminated...

But, the person has not been publicly identified!

This is unacceptable, since and because this case has so much public interest the public at large have a right to know who this gentleman was!

Why didn't the man come forward earlier?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3130 on: August 04, 2018, 09:25:AM »
Seems to me, that this gentleman is an important witness, for example, he appeared to have walked along the pavement on the roadside part of apartment 5A where the door and the shuttered bedroom window behind which the three McCann siblings had been sleeping! Did he notice whether or not the steel shutter of that bedroom window was open or not? If it was, did he notice that the window was open? And if the window was open, did he notice whether or not the curtains were open? Failing that, was the door of 5A closed, or open?

It also must be the case, that the gentleman in question, turned his head and his body slightly to his right upon entering the road junction to make sure that there were no oncoming vehicles, or pedestrians - he wouldn't have simply walked out into that road junction like a zombie without any concern for the safety of the child he was carrying, or himself! He would have surely seen Jane Tanner walking uphill towards his position on one side of the road, and Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins with a pushchair on the other side of the street...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3131 on: August 04, 2018, 09:31:AM »
Seems to me, that this gentleman is an important witness, for example, he appeared to have walked along the pavement on the roadside part of apartment 5A where the door and the shuttered bedroom window behind which the three McCann siblings had been sleeping! Did he notice whether or not the steel shutter of that bedroom window was open or not? If it was, did he notice that the window was open? And if the window was open, did he notice whether or not the curtains were open? Failing that, was the door of 5A closed, or open?

It also must be the case, that the gentleman in question, turned his head and his body slightly to his right upon entering the road junction to make sure that there were no oncoming vehicles, or pedestrians - he wouldn't have simply walked out into that road junction like a zombie without any concern for the safety of the child he was carrying, or himself! He would have surely seen Jane Tanner walking uphill towards his position on one side of the road, and Gerry McCann and Jez Wilkins with a pushchair on the other side of the street...

Until this person is formally identified everyone should have an open mind to the possibility that the person who Jane Tanner had seen could have been Stephen Carpenter intending to take Madeleine back to his own apartment (FP02)! If it was him, it is almost certain that he would have realised that the person coming up the road (Jane Tanner) must have seen him, with the possibility that either Gerry McCann or Jez Wilkins may also have got a fleeting glimpse of him!

Under those circumstances, this may have caused Carpenter to change his mind about taking her back to the Carpenter apartment, and to make his way down towards the beach instead, and that around and by 10pm that he was the person seen by the Smith contingent carrying Madeleine in his arms heading in the general direction of the beach!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3132 on: August 04, 2018, 09:36:AM »
It's possible that the man seen carrying a child by Jane Tanner (9.10pm - 9.15pm) and by the Smith Contingent (10pm) was one and the same gentleman!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3133 on: August 04, 2018, 09:40:AM »
It's possible that the man seen carrying a child by Jane Tanner (9.10pm - 9.15pm) and by the Smith Contingent (10pm) was one and the same gentleman!

I arrive at this conclusion because both of these men who were seen did not come forward and identify themselves. The fact that one of them has since been traced and identified remains suspicious, and it is a matter of public interest that he be formally identified so that everyone can eliminate that person!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3134 on: August 04, 2018, 02:21:PM »
I arrive at this conclusion because both of these men who were seen did not come forward and identify themselves. The fact that one of them has since been traced and identified remains suspicious, and it is a matter of public interest that he be formally identified so that everyone can eliminate that person!

Of particular interest would be any interview record or witness statement made by this mystery person confirming where he had been, what he had been doing, and where he was going to? Furthermore, what if anything did he see or notice along his route, especially both prior to, and during, or after he crossed the road junction (if he was the person referred to by Jane Tanner?
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