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Offline mike tesko

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3105 on: August 02, 2018, 11:15:PM »
It seems so obvious to me, that once any abductor realised the significance of one of Madeleine McCanns eyes, that they would have regarded Madeleine McCann as a liability! A liability not worth taking any risks over...

I feel sure that in such circumstances, the way forward from any would be abductor would be to terminate the life of the abducted child!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3106 on: August 02, 2018, 11:16:PM »
It seems so obvious to me, that once any abductor realised the significance of one of Madeleine McCanns eyes, that they would have regarded Madeleine McCann as a liability! A liability not worth taking any risks over...

I feel sure that in such circumstances, the way forward from any would be abductor would be to terminate the life of the abducted child!

I know it sounds so awful when I write about it, but this is what I feel any abductor would do, if they didn't intend to kill her anyway!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3107 on: August 02, 2018, 11:23:PM »
The statement of Stephen John Carpenter regarding his visit to the tapas restaurant at 7pm onwards on that Thursday 3rd May 2007, is very worrying indeed! Since, it places him in a unique position to be able to observe the McCann parents leaving their children unsupervised inside apartment 5A, after they left by the sliding patio door, a view visible from the table at which the carpenters were sitting right up to the arrival of Kate and Gerry McCann at 8.30pm, and beyond!

If we accept that Stephen Carpenter and his wife left the tapas restaurant sometime between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, this gives the Carpenters at least 45 minutes to an hour to observe the McCanns behaviour, involving the intervals at which regular checks were being made on their 'home alone' three siblings!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3108 on: August 02, 2018, 11:33:PM »
We have been hearing all sorts of scenarios from the police in recent times regarding the possibility that Madeleine's abductor, or abductors had had the family under constant surveillance leading up to Madeleine McCanns disappearance, and that the abductor may have been making note of the McCann family routine - well, the Carpenter couple certainly fit the bill in that respect! They played tennis with one or other, or both of the McCann parents, they went to the lobster creche on one occasion only (that was on Tuesday 1st May 2007) and they were dining at the tapas restaurant from 7pm on the evening that Madeleine went missing, and stayed to around 9.30pm at the latest, giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to see the intervals in play between the checks that were being made on the three vulnerable children the mcCanns had left unsupervised inside apartment 5A..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3109 on: August 02, 2018, 11:47:PM »
We have been hearing all sorts of scenarios from the police in recent times regarding the possibility that Madeleine's abductor, or abductors had had the family under constant surveillance leading up to Madeleine McCanns disappearance, and that the abductor may have been making note of the McCann family routine - well, the Carpenter couple certainly fit the bill in that respect! They played tennis with one or other, or both of the McCann parents, they went to the lobster creche on one occasion only (that was on Tuesday 1st May 2007) and they were dining at the tapas restaurant from 7pm on the evening that Madeleine went missing, and stayed to around 9.30pm at the latest, giving the Carpenters ample opportunity to see the intervals in play between the checks that were being made on the three vulnerable children the mcCanns had left unsupervised inside apartment 5A..

Rather astonishingly, none of the tapas nine group make mention of the Carpenters by name, or the fact that sometime between 9.15pm and 9 .30pm, the Carpenters left the tapas restaurant! Instead, we hear about Gerry McCanns 9.05pm check on his siblings, him speaking to Jez in the street after he left apartment 5A, Jane Tanner wandering out and she seeing Gerry mcCann talking to Jez, but oddly enough with not the slightest mention of them having seen her and of all this overlapping or taking place before Stephen Carpenter, and his wife and two young children, leave the tapas bar, and cross over the road en route to their apartment, and Mrs Carpenter hearing someone calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine'...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3110 on: August 03, 2018, 08:45:AM »
What if the Carpenters weren't there at the tapas restaurant that night with their two children?

The records from the tapas restaurant for that evening clearly suggests that the Carpenters were their alone from 7pm, onwards...

(1) - Stephen John and (2) - Christine Elizabeth Carpenter!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3111 on: August 03, 2018, 09:25:AM »
Christine Elizabeth Carpenter was arguably the most important witness of all in the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearance / abduction / death - since she was probably the last person to hear the person who took Madeleine from apartment 5A speak prior to Madeleine being taken, yet her Portuguese witness statement is withheld..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3112 on: August 03, 2018, 01:31:PM »
Christine Elizabeth Carpenter was arguably the most important witness of all in the case of Madeleine McCanns disappearance / abduction / death - since she was probably the last person to hear the person who took Madeleine from apartment 5A speak prior to Madeleine being taken, yet her Portuguese witness statement is withheld..

Not only that / this...

But..

A chef who worked at the tapas restaurant, made a statement to police saying that he heard a commotion made by a couple about a child gone missing (or about to go missing) at 21.20hrs, and that by 21.40hrs the couple had gone from the table where they had been sitting!

Well, the Carpenters did not leave their table until sometime between 9.15pm and 9.30pm, and Kate McCann and all the other tapas nine group were still at their tables until Kate McCann returned to break the news that Madeleine had been takeshortly after 10.00pm, so the empty table (21.40hrs) and the couple who were making the commotion (21.20hs) which the Chef overheard must have been reference to the Carpenters! If so, how did the Carpenters know at 21.20 hrs that a child had gone missing, or would be reported missing later on that same evening?

Did the chef overhear an argument that the Carpenters were having between themselves, where one or other was opposing what they had in mind doing?

I think this is a very significant piece of information which the police need to be reinvestigation urgently!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3113 on: August 03, 2018, 01:48:PM »
Carpenters watching the McCanns and family, following them to the lobster creche on the Tuesday 1st May 2007 afternoon session, booking their daughter in, then presumably taking her back out again straight away once they knew that Madeleine was at the creche, and scoring a line through their daughters entry in the creche register!

On evening of 2nd May 2007, were the Carpenters the mystery couple who are believed to have entered apartment 5A when Madeleine and Sean had been crying for over an hour? Madeleine told Kate about this (Sean and herself crying) on the following morning, the day of her reported disappearance!

Carpenters booked a dining table at the tapas restaurant for 7pm, a table for two, with only two chairs supplied! Earlier in the evening the Carpenters had been at the tapas restaurant area for high tea with their two children, so it seems unlikely that they would take their two children out with them for another meal about an hour or so later (7pm). Stephen John Carpenter made a witness statement where he stated that the whole family had gone out to dinner at the pre-booked time of 7pm, but the restaurant register shows that there were two members of the family booked in - so why did Stephen Carpenter lie about his children being present at the restaurant, at 7pm if they wasn't?

Was Christine Elizabeth Carpenter the woman dressed in a plum purple outfit standing on the causeway pavement on the opposite side of the street at around 8pm on the night of Madeleine's disappearence, as witnessed by Mrs Murat who had gone on a quick shopping trip to the Baptists off license / grocery store? If it was, why was she looking directly at the McCanns apartment at that time?

Did the restaurant chef overhear a commotion that was being made by the Carpenter couple within his earshot, at 21.20hrs?

Well, it can't have been him overhearing what Kate Healey said upon returning from her only check of the apartment that evening because she did not do her check until 10pm!

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3114 on: August 03, 2018, 02:46:PM »
I thought Jenny Murat said her son had never left the villa all evening, yet she was driving to the supermarket at 8:00pm, where she spotted the woman in purple standing by a lamp post. The same woman was also seen by Gerry McCann's tennis partner, Jeremy Wilkins. https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccann-case-jeremy-wilkins-and-woman-in.html

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3115 on: August 03, 2018, 06:30:PM »
I thought Jenny Murat said her son had never left the villa all evening, yet she was driving to the supermarket at 8:00pm, where she spotted the woman in purple standing by a lamp post. The same woman was also seen by Gerry McCann's tennis partner, Jeremy Wilkins. https://gazetadigitalmadeleinecase.blogspot.com/2008/08/mccann-case-jeremy-wilkins-and-woman-in.html

Jenny Murat went to the supermarket on that evening, driving there by motor vehicle which would have taken her less than 5 minutes to travel there and let's say that she spent between 10 to 15 minutes shopping with another 5 minutes to drive back to her villa, she would have travelled to the supermarket and returned to her premises well within half an hour from start to finish!

According to Jess Wilkins account, the woman who is dressed in purple was known to him as one of the females who were known to the McCanns. This suggest to me that the female who was dressed in purple could well have been Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, the wife of Stephen Carpenter who claims to have introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and play tennis with the McCanns, as well as visit the Lobster creche when the mccanns and The Carpenter's deposited their respective children...

It is interesting to note, that the woman in the purple dress may have been stood there staring at the McCann apartment for the for a whole half an hour between 8 and 8: 30 pm that evening, in which case if true it begs the question, where was Stephen Carpenter at that time and what was he doing?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3116 on: August 03, 2018, 07:14:PM »
Jenny Murad went to the supermarket on that evening, driving there by motor vehicle which would have taken her less than 5 minutes to travel there and let's say that she spent between 10 to 15 minutes shopping with another 5 minutes to drive back to her apartment, she would have travelled to the supermarket and return to a premises well within half an hour from start to finish!

According to Jess Wilkins account, the woman who is dressed in purple was known to him as one of the females who were known to the McCanns. This suggest to me that the female who was dressed in purple could well have been Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, the wife of Stephen Carpenter who claims to have introduced Robert Murat to Gerry McCann, and play tennis with the McCanns, as well as visit the Lobster creche when the mccanns and The Carpenter's deposited their respective children...

It is interesting to note, got the woman in the purple dress may have been stood there staring at the McCann apartment for the for a whole half an hour between 8 and 8: 30 pm that evening, in which case if true it begs the question, where was Stephen Carpenter at that time and what was he doing?
But why would she make herself so conspicuous by standing under a street light? I wonder if this was a spur of the moment abduction, where was the body concealed and why has nobody blabbed after 11 years?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3117 on: August 03, 2018, 07:52:PM »
But why would she make herself so conspicuous standing under a street light? I wonder if this was a spur of the moment abduction, where was the body concealed and why has nobody blabbed after 11 years?

I think that by 8pm the Carpenters would have finished their evening meal, and this provided an opportunity for both of them to leave the tapas restaurant temporarily, so that Christine Carpenter remained on the pavement keeping a conspicuous eye on the McCann premises whilst Stephen Carpenter returned to their own apartment to check on their own two children. In the interim period, the tapas nine group and the McCanns had filed into the tapas restaurant (between 8.15pm and 8.45pm). This fits in with..
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3118 on: August 03, 2018, 09:10:PM »
I think that by 8pm the Carpenters would have finished their evening meal, and this provided an opportunity for both of them to leave the tapas restaurant temporarily, so that Christine Carpenter remained on the pavement keeping a conspicuous eye on the McCann premises whilst Stephen Carpenter returned to their own apartment to check on their own two children. In the interim period, the tapas nine group and the McCanns had filed into the tapas restaurant (between 8.15pm and 8.45pm). This fits in with..

Stephen Carpenter saying that all the tapas nine group were already there when they went back to the tapas restaurant, but in fact the McCanns themselves, and one or two others in their group did not arrive at the dinner table until 8.30pm, and afterwards. For example, I think that Jane Tanner or Russell O'Brien,  arrived much later on because their child Ella had been taken ill, and they took it in turns to stay back in the apartment with the child, swapping over during the course of the evening!

What we do know is that neither Jane Tanner, Russell O'Brien, Gerry McCann, or Mathew Oldfield saw the woman in the plum purple dress stood in the street between 8pm and 8.30pm, the only people who took note of this woman was Jenny Murat (8pm) and Jez Wilkins (8.15pm to 8.30pm)...

I am satisfied as I can be that the woman in the plum purple dress was none other than Christine Elizabeth Carpenter, she was alone which freed up Stephen Carpenter to take care of other business! This other business was perhaps to return to their own apartment which was situated nearby, next to Jenny Murat's premises, to check on their own two children! It may well be, that the Carpenter couple kept in contact with eachother throughout this time by mobile telephone calls!

I think everything fits into place, whereby at sometime after 8.30pm with the departure of the McCanns from apartment 5A via the patio door on the poolside of the building, and their arrival at the dinner table by 8.30pm, or thereabouts, that this information was relayed from the woman in the plum purple outfit on foot out in the street, or perhaps on her way back to their table at the tapas restaurant, so that she was met by Stephen Carpenter so that they sat back at their table after what they believed was the full Entourage of the tapas nine already at their pre-booked dinner table!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3119 on: August 03, 2018, 09:16:PM »
The restaurant chef who reports that he heard a commotion involving a couple at one of the tables, must have overheard some sort of a dispute, or an argument involving the Carpenter couple at around 21.20hrs, concerning the soon to be missing Madeleine McCann! It can't possibly have had anything to do whatsoever with the news being broken at 10pm when Kate Healey returned to the tapas restaurant, screaming or shouting, 'they've taken her, they've taken her, Madeleine is gone' because that didn't happen until some 40 minutes afterwards!

The chef must have been referring to a conversation, or disagreement about the way with which the Carpenters were planning to snatch Madeleine, who was effectively home alone!
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