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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3060 on: August 02, 2018, 12:12:PM »
But what is the motive of the Carpenters?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3061 on: August 02, 2018, 01:44:PM »
But what is the motive of the Carpenters?

There must have been some altercation of sorts involving the McCanns and the Carpenters - I think it may have started over the booking of the tables in the tapas restaurant, night after night at 8.30pm! I know it may not sound much of a reason for someone to abduct somebody else's child, and probably kill a child, but this is a starting point for which the Portuguese police and Scotland yard to investigate!

I think there is mounting circumstantial evidence pointing toward a possible involvement of the Carpenters in Madeleine McCanns abduction, disappearance, and her murder!

I want to know why Stephen John Carpenters wife has not made a witness statement, or been interviewed by either the Portuguese and UK police! Afterall, it was she who heard someone calling out the name, 'Madeleine, Madeleine' as the couple crossed the street after leaving the tapas bar reception entrance downhill of the McCann Apartment (5A) between 9.15pm and 9.30pm on the evening of Thursday 3rd May 2007!

They are the last couple to have had any sort of contact with either Madeleine's abductor(s), or Madeleine herself albeit indirectly having observed / overheard 'Madeleine, Madeleine' being called out!

This is important evidence, because not even the parents said that they had cause to speak to Madeleine when they had left the apartment (5A) to go for evening meal and drinks at the nearby restaurant - the parents state that all three siblings had been fast asleep before they left at 8.30pm by the poolside patio door!

Gerry McCann did not have cause to call out Madeleine's name (twice) during his 9.05pm check, and according to Russell O'BRIEN, and Mathew Oldfield, when they had done their 9.30pm check, neither of them had had cause to mention or to call out Madeleines name twice in accordance with what Stephen John Carpenter said his wife had heard being recited...

This tells me that the Carpenters knew more than they have thus far let on...

And, I believe there are strong grounds for one or other of them, or both parents having something to do with Madeleine's disappearance!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3062 on: August 02, 2018, 01:52:PM »
Here, look at this...

Why is there 1/2 hour difference in the timed narrative when compared against the tapas nine version of the events?
There was a condition at 21.20hrs, concerning the fact that a child had gone missing?

Later, when the witness had cause to pass through that part of the restaurant where the couple's had been sitting, he was told that a child belonging to one of those couple's had gone missing (21.40hrs) - but if this were true Kate Healey had not yet even been back to the apartment at that stage, and would not return there until some 20 minutes after the restaurant chef claims he knew about the missing child!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3063 on: August 02, 2018, 01:56:PM »
I don't know whether Stephen Carpenter had time to abduct Madeleine, dispose of the body, all with his wife in situ..https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-eight-independent-alarm-witnesses.html

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3064 on: August 02, 2018, 02:37:PM »
I don't know whether Stephen Carpenter had time to abduct Madeleine, dispose of the body, all with his wife in situ..https://mmknowthetruth.blogspot.com/2017/04/the-eight-independent-alarm-witnesses.html

The Carpenters didn't have their children with them when they booked the table at 7pm for their evening meal, the restaurant register confirms this not to be true, there were only 2 members of the carpenter family in the tapas restaurant that evening, and Stephen Carpenter and his wife dined one and a half hours prior to Kate and Gerry McCann leaving their apartment by the patio door on the poolside of the apartment, something which from the vantage point of their table in the tapas restaurant the Carpenter couple would easily have been able to observe!

Take the Carpenter children out of the equation altogether, as though they were never there with the Carpenters on that occasion. Let's just say, they either left their kids at home alone, or they made arrangements for somebody to keep an eye on them that evening! I am satisfied that the carpenter children were not at the tapas bar on that second occasion that the Carpenters visited the tapas bar/ restaurant that evening! On tge first occasion they would have attended high tea, went back to their apartment and after making arrangements for their two children to be looked after (or simply left home alone) the Carpenters went out on their own to dine back at the tapas bar from 7pm onward...

Their position at their table afforded them a bird's eye view of the patio door on the poolside of the apartment block where the McCann's and children were staying!

I am not suggesting that they sat there throughout the whole of the next hour and a half waiting to see if the McCanns left their apartment by that patio door, since I am mindful of Robert Murat's mother seeing a woman who was dressed in plum purple standing on the pavement on the opposite side of the street to where the gated concrete steps lead up to the veranda belonging to the patio doors of the McCanns apartment! I have good reason to believe that the woman whom Mrs Murat had seen standing there at about 8pm (half an hour before the McCanns actually left there apartment at 8.30pm) was none other than Stephen Carpentes wife. She may well have been stood there intending to confront the McCanns about leaving three young children alone I an unlocked apartment, as a result of the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying for about an hour whilst their parents were out and about gallavanting - I believe that it was the Carpenters who had entered the mcCanns apartment on the previous evening when Madeleine and Sean had been crying, and that Mrs Carpenter had decided to confront the McCann parents if she caught them slipping out of their apartment when she was stood there in the street!

However, she must have got fed up of waiting, or that she would return to the table where her husband was still sitting, and observe the patio door of the mcCann apartment from that vantage point!

After the arrival of Kate and Gerry at the pre-booked dinner table at 8.30pm, it might have been the case that the carpenters hadn't caught the McCann parents leaving their apartment by the patio door on the poolside of their apartment! This might have been the case because at around 9.00 O'clock when Gerry McCann got up from the table to go and do his check, he entered the apartment by the road side door, suggesting that on this particular evening the McCanns might have locked their children in! Nevertheless, all such thoughts must have been dispelled from their minds when at about 9.30pm, Russell O'BRIEN and Mathew Oldfield got up from the table at the tapas restaurant and volunteered to check on the McCann kids, since from their vantage point at their dining table, they then saw the two volunteers slide open the patio door and enter, only to exit moments later and pulling the sliding patio door closed, before walking off the veranda, down the concrete steps and out of sight!

I am convinced that the CARPENTER COUPLE, observed the O'Brien/Odfield check of apartment 5A, and that soon after one of them returned back to the restaurant, having heard one of the two volunteers say that everything was fine back inside the McCann Apartment, and that the reason why Russell had not come back was because his daughter was sick and he had stayed with her, I think the Carpenters took the opportunity to leave the tapas restaurant, and that between them they abducted Madeleine from the mcCann apartment, in the following manner:-
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3065 on: August 02, 2018, 02:44:PM »

I am convinced that the CARPENTER COUPLE, observed the O'Brien/Odfield check of apartment 5A, and that soon after one of them returned back to the restaurant, having heard one of the two volunteers say that everything was fine back inside the McCann Apartment, and that the reason why Russell had not come back was because his daughter was sick and he had stayed with her, I think the Carpenters took the opportunity to leave the tapas restaurant, and that between them they abducted Madeleine from the mcCann apartment, in the following manner:-

The husband entered apartment 5A via the sliding patio door, in the knowledge that his wife was on the opposite side of the apartment (on the roadside part of the apartment where the car park is situated) and that he opened the curtains of the children's bedroom window, he then slide open the window, and he physically raised the steel shutter, and once he had picked up Madeleine's body, he handed her out to his wife who was stood outside the bedroom window, and then he himself climbed out of the same window, or he left by either the roadside door which could be unlocked and opened without a key to let himself out, or by the poolside patio door the way he had entered earlier!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3066 on: August 02, 2018, 02:49:PM »
It is also possible, that after the arrival of the McCann parents at their pre-booked table by 8.30pm, that one or other Carpenter overheard snippets of conversation being spoken about amongst the group of the so called tapas nine group! In particular a conversation that Kate Healey and Fiona Payne were having regarding the crying episode of Madeleine and Sean the evening before, as mentioned by Madeleine herself to Kate that Thursday Morning!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3067 on: August 02, 2018, 02:54:PM »
It is also possible, that after the arrival of the McCann parents at their pre-booked table by 8.30pm, that one or other Carpenter overheard snippets of conversation being spoken about amongst the group of the so called tapas nine group! In particular a conversation that Kate Healey and Fiona Payne were having regarding the crying episode of Madeleine and Sean the evening before, as mentioned by Madeleine herself to Kate that Thursday Morning!

Now, had the carpenters been the couple who had entered the apartment on the previous evening to try and deal with Madeleine and Sean crying, it could have been the trigger which caused them to go and get Madeleine McCann and get rid of her, because she could technically have been capable of telling the McCann parents, that they had entered the McCann Apartment on that occasion without anyone's consent or permission, nor had they confided in the parents, or confronted them verbally about the fact that they had left there children 'home alone' so to speak!

This reason alone could have been the motive for abducting Madeleine McCann!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3068 on: August 02, 2018, 02:58:PM »
It may well be the case, that when disturbing Madeleine in her bed and lifting her out of the bedroom window, that he (Stephen John Carpenter) himself had tried to calm the awakening child by pacifying her by saying to her, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', which was what his wife would remember...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3069 on: August 02, 2018, 03:06:PM »
I really do feel, that the business of Carpenters wife supposedly hearing someone saying, or calling out, 'Madeleine, Madeleine', so soon after the carpenters had left the tapas restaurant reception area, (between 9.15pm and 9.30pm) lies at the heart of this mystery!

It isn't the McCann parents, or any of their group who is / was responsible for Madeleine McCanns demise, and it wasn't / isn't anything to do with the Carpenter couple, then at the very least here we have a piece of highly significant circumstantial evidence, of a voice calling out Madeleine McCanns name, not once, but at least twice, signifying that the person who took Madeleine knew her, and that the person who spoke was known to Madeleine - in other words, Madeleine McCann was not abducted by any stranger, if she was taken she was taken by somebody who knew her, or as the case may be, who had comforted her during the previous evenings trauma!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3070 on: August 02, 2018, 03:10:PM »
I am also a little concerned about the restaurant chefs account which states that at 21.20hrs he heard a commotion which involved dome suggestion or other that a child might be missing?

Did, for example, the chef overhear the Carpenters talking about a child that was going to be reported as missing, rather than a child who had gone missing at all by that stage?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3071 on: August 02, 2018, 03:12:PM »
I would like to know what clothing Mrs Carpenter wore to their 7pm evening meal at the tapas restaurant on that Thursday evening (for 2 persons, not 4)?
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3072 on: August 02, 2018, 03:13:PM »
I would like to know what clothing Mrs Carpenter wore to their 7pm evening meal at the tapas restaurant on that Thursday evening (for 2 persons, not 4)?

I have a hunch that she was dressed in a plum purple outfit!
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3073 on: August 02, 2018, 03:16:PM »
I have a hunch that she was dressed in a plum purple outfit!

Failing that / this, could that woman have been one of the so-called tapas nine group?

What outfit did Kate McCann herself wear that evening?

What about Fiona Payne?

What about Jane Tanner?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3074 on: August 02, 2018, 03:18:PM »
Something else that I have my doubts about - since Stephen Carpenter had been to the resort previously, I do not believe for one moment that he only met Robert Murat on the morning after Madeleine McCann was reported to be missing!
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