The case of Madeleine McCann

[andrea]

hi roch, i havent actually studied this case, i only know the basics so im not in a position to be able to answer your question as i just dont know enough about the whole thing.

all i know is ...had them children (who were very young) had adult supervision at ALL times then that little girl would still be here, you just dont leave kids, especially of that age, alone.

half hourly checks just isnt good enough, as poor maddie found out.

[Sparkfilms]

I don't think there were any visual checks on Madeleine by anyone until Kate found her dead.

Gerry alludes to going back to use the bathroom, Matt Oldfield only accounts for the twins.

Kate was asked if Madeleine was asleep when she last saw her. That was a very telling question by the interviewer.

At this, Kate struggles with her answer.

I think all the answers everyone needs are there in the cryptic replies from Gerry and Kate throughout the many interviews.

They are having to think very carefully about how they answer. I do not believe this has only come from the briefings by their PR advisors.

Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner may have concocked the smokescreen between them, namely the sickness of their child, and the bogus sighting of the abductor.

Too much seems to be happening around 10pm. Too much centres on O'Brien and Tanner.

And of course, Kate may have given the game away by leaving the twins in their beds with an abductor around.

What do you mean "Kate found her dead"? What evidence do you have to support that phrase?

No evidence Bob, but I've read through a mass of interviews by the McCann's - and reading between the lines, they appear to admit (1),  that she died that night, and ( 2 ), that they were not directly responsible for her death.

I'm still going along with the PJ on this - they firmly believe that Madeleine McCann died in Apartment 5a somewhere around 20.30 that night.

My personal contacts in Portugal who have worked on the case also believed Madeleine died around 20.30. They go even further than that, saying that her body was refrigerated for a number of weeks with assistance from members of The Catholic Church. Little wonder that The Pope was cold towards the McCann's.

[Tyler]

HMESSEX, thank you for the link that you posted as I didnt know about that site.Had a little trouble trying to translate it as all in portugese until I realised it could be viewed in English also! What am I like ?   

[newsman]

I received the attached file today via email with a subject of "MADELINE McCANN - don't question - just forward - it only needs one ..."

asking to pass it on to everyone I know, If anyone wants to download the pdf file attached to this and send it on you never know.

All the best.

[Sparkfilms]

The one thing that just about everyone in the UK and Portugal seems to agree on - and probably The Pope too, is that Gerry McCann is a ******* ****!

[HMEssex]

Look on You Tube 'Gerry Mccann is happy'.

Taken few days after Madeleine was 'taken'.

[Sparkfilms]

Look on You Tube 'Gerry Mccann is happy'.

Taken few days after Madeleine was 'taken'.

Thanx - just watched.

McCann is beyond belief. Laughing all the way to the bank I imagine.

[Tyler]

Yes,I watched it too.Really bizzare.For anyone that has not seen it,the following is a pretty interesting site    Joana-Morais.blogspot.com

[Tyler]

Mike,wherever you are,I hope that you are feeling well.
Can I ask,regarding the blood spots found on the wall inside the  McCanns apartment,I have read that 7 out of 9 markers matched Maddies Dna.Do you know if this is true?

[HMEssex]

DNA markers proved blood in the boot of the hire car and a sample from a windowsill in the apartment belonged to Madeleine - 15 markers out of 19. In the UK (where? the system was devised) a person can be convicted on as low as 10, it's just Portuguese law requires all 19, before they can prosecute.

[Roch]

DNA markers proved blood in the boot of the hire car and a sample from a windowsill in the apartment belonged to Madeleine - 15 markers out of 19. In the UK (where? the system was devised) a person can be convicted on as low as 10, it's just Portuguese law requires all 19, before they can prosecute.

Very interesting.  Is this mentioned in 'Truth of the Lie'? Or do you please have another link to any further info?

[tyler]

HMESSEX, thanks for that info.You seem to have studied the case quite in depth.Can you tell me what you think happened with Maddie?Do you think the parents are involved? Obviously alot of people believe she was accidently overdosed by way of sedatives administered by her parents,but cant seem to fathom how that fits with the scenario of her blood being allegdly found up the walls,near the sofa etc.

[HMEssex]

HMESSEX, thanks for that info.You seem to have studied the case quite in depth.Can you tell me what you think happened with Maddie?Do you think the parents are involved? Obviously alot of people believe she was accidently overdosed by way of sedatives administered by her parents,but cant seem to fathom how that fits with the scenario of her blood being allegdly found up the walls,near the sofa etc.

Hi Tyler, I honestly can't work this out. 

I've been reading about this for couple of years with all the theories out there. The sedation scenario is possibly more likely.  Madeleine was known for waking up and going to her parents room at home, and which she did on holiday.  In one of the Tapas' statements, Fiona says on the night Madeleine disappeared Kate kept checking the twins' breathing, which she thought strange, and Kate didn't allow samples of the twins' hair to be analysed until about three months later.

I try really hard to hope that the parents were not involved, but then I see stuff like the "Gerry is Happy" clip, the fact that the shutters were not jemmied as was stated initially, the dogs' evidence, the silly timelines written (twice) on the night, Jane Tanners' laughable descriptions of an abductor, the publication of the photo of her eye which they were advised not to do, barring the fact that this was when she was much younger and they now say was just a fleck, the parents asking for a priest on the night she disappeared, and the priest at the church in PDL where they had keys saying he was deceived.  I could go on.....

[tyler]

Thanks for your thoughts on the case.I dont know if you have read Kates book,but she states in it that even she feels that Maddie and the twins had been drugged.But by an abductor.That is interesting because by stating this,if it could ever be proved,she has in effect,shifted the blame.Maybe that is as near to a confession that we are ever going to get!

[tyler]

Oh,and she writes that whenever she returns to Portugal,she always goes and sits by those rocks at that remote part of the beach.Those same rocks that she kept going off to after Maddie went missing.I think that is rather significant.I will have to ask Mike if that is anywhere near that drain that he is so suspicious about.