The case of Madeleine McCann

[lookout]

My take on this Lookout.  The McCann's know that any amount of enquiries are going to come to nothing.  The McCann's received an enormous amount of assistance from elements linked to UK authorities.  The reasons for this assistance are murky.  But there is an official line to be peddled in accordance with that assistance, via the mainstream media.  What we are witnessing is an illusion.

Hi Roch,I think that because of the positions of both the McCanns has got to have made a big difference overall,I admit. For if it had been an ordinary " Joe Bloggs " and wife,it wouldn't have reached the proportions that it has done,in investigating the childs' disappearance.
That said,their persistence has also paid off,as a missing child can easily be " written off " perhaps,until years later.
In all honesty,if it was me in their situation,I'd be banging the drum too if only to prove to the world that I had no involvement whatsoever,besides fighting to get my child back as well of course.
Beyond leaving the parents out of the equation,I don't know what to think,except that the case wasn't followed up as thoroughly as it should have been. There was never a " golden hour " put to the test.

[lookout]

Hi Lookout. I had been under the impression that you had researched this case fairly deeply? No hair of Madeleine's was found on her hairbrush nor her pillow. Gerry had to return to England in order to collect something of Madeleine's to hand over a hair sample.

Ah yes,tyler,I seem to remember that happening now. Thanks for the reminder. I knew there was something about a hair.

[Patti]

I think i am going back to the beginning of this case.  When I went to bed last night I was thinking about the lights.

I know the children's bedroom light was off and they state they pulled the door at 45 degrees.

Its the light...it bothers me and for the life of me I cannot remember if the living room light was on.

If it was on then why would a burglar attempt to go inside the apartment?

Could it be that whoever entered the apartment was watching and knew the McCann's had gone to dinner. Had this been observed over the past few evenings?  If so where from? Inside the complex? Outside the complex? From a building close by? This is based on the abduction theory of course.

The alternative theory is that the parents had something to do with MM being missing.

MM was last seen at 4:45/5pm

GM had a solid alibi he was playing tennis till 6:30/7pm

GM had asked DP to check on KM and the children as they had not come down to the plat area.

DP said KM had just come out of the shower and reported back to GM that all was OK and the children were tired.

GM then went back to the apartment and he tucked his children in bed. I think the twins were already asleep.

7:45 they have a glass of wine in the apartment before leaving for dinner.

The last person to see MM was her father at 21:00/21:15

10pm the Smiths report a man carrying a child similar to MM.  We do not hear the police pushing this like they did with the Tanner sighting, which we now know to be a holiday maker picking his child up from creche, but he was walking the wrong way if he had...How can that be?

Something is not right. Its the lights.

[tyler]

Patti,the lamp was on in the living room. SY are indeed interested in the Smith sighting. The man the Smith's saw was the focus of the Crimewatch programme.

Aww thanks for that Tyler and yes they did....Do you know if they have interviewed Mr Smith and his family again.?

Do you think anyone would burglar a place that has a light on? 

[Patti]

Sorry Tyler please see above I pressed modify instead of quote 

[Alias]

I think i am going back to the beginning of this case.  When I went to bed last night I was thinking about the lights.

I know the children's bedroom light was off and they state they pulled the door at 45 degrees.

Its the light...it bothers me and for the life of me I cannot remember if the living room light was on.

If it was on then why would a burglar attempt to go inside the apartment?

Could it be that whoever entered the apartment was watching and knew the McCann's had gone to dinner. Had this been observed over the past few evenings?  If so where from? Inside the complex? Outside the complex? From a building close by? This is based on the abduction theory of course.

The alternative theory is that the parents had something to do with MM being missing.

MM was last seen at 4:45/5pm

GM had a solid alibi he was playing tennis till 6:30/7pm

GM had asked DP to check on KM and the children as they had not come down to the plat area.

DP said KM had just come out of the shower and reported back to GM that all was OK and the children were tired.

GM then went back to the apartment and he tucked his children in bed. I think the twins were already asleep.

7:45 they have a glass of wine in the apartment before leaving for dinner.

The last person to see MM was her father at 21:00/21:15

10pm the Smiths report a man carrying a child similar to MM.  We do not hear the police pushing this like they did with the Tanner sighting, which we now know to be a holiday maker picking his child up from creche, but he was walking the wrong way if he had...How can that be?

Something is not right. Its the lights.

 I think that DP said that Kate was dressed, but Kate said she had just come out of the shower and only had a towel around her when he came to the apartment
Could be wrong, but it is easily checked (in the first video Roch posted).

[Patti]

I think that DP said that Kate was dressed, but Kate said she had just come out of the shower and only had a towel around her when he came to the apartment
Could be wrong, but it is easily checked (in the first video Roch posted).

I will have to watch it Alias, but not tonight....I too think it was a towel wrapped around her.  Ta muchas. 

[Patti]

Is this the same guy that is trying to say that a plane never hit the twin towers? I can't find the 1st video. Shall look tomorrow.

Personally I don't think her parents had any hand in her disappearance.

[mike tesko]

As reported, SY are to interview the maintenance manager of the Ocean club in the next couple of hours, regarding the under floor space beneath all ground floor apartments, including 5A...

[tyler]

Patti,I'm sure SY would have interviewed the Smith's again and to be honest,I don't believe in the burglar theory. Nothing was stolen apart from,obviously,a child. An allegedly deceased child. SY appear to believe the child is,sadly,dead,hence the recent digs and they have also previously stated that the child may not have left the apartment alive. Re: the parents,it should be remembered that aside from Amarals theory,which some British detectives agreed with,Leicestershire Police have previously stated that there is nothing contained in their files that eliminates the parents. Indeed,three times the Mccann's have tried to gain access to LP's files including through the High Court and have been refused. Makes you wonder what is contained in them? I think this case definately calls for an open mind.

[Roch]

Is this the same guy that is trying to say that a plane never hit the twin towers?  I can't find the 1st video. Shall look tomorrow.

Personally I don't think her parents had any hand in her disappearance.

Hi Patti the videos begin at post 2413.  There is a pre video at post 2412: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html

Regarding the twin towers, he did a video about the '9/11 ball' which relates to one of the American news station's coverage of the second plane.  Obviously not for this thread: There are a lot of questions about the footage of the second plane aired by the American mainstream news stations positioned at the scene.  There are also questions about their role in the event that day.

[Alias]

Hi Patti the videos begin at post 2413.  There is a pre video at post 2412: http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html

Regarding the twin towers, he did a video about the '9/11 ball' which relates to one of the American news station's coverage of the second plane.  Obviously not for this thread: There are a lot of questions about the footage of the second plane aired by the American mainstream news stations positioned at the scene.  There are also questions about their role in the event that day.

Thanks Roch.

The video is actually no.2, not no.1 as I said. It is in post 2414. http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,386.2400.html
DP interview starts at abut 09:00.

Umm, I was wrong about him saying Kate was dressed - he doesn´t remember.  But they differ on whether he came into the apartment. He says he definitely did, she says he stayed outside on the patio.

Here is a link to transcription of an interview with David Payne - he is basically saying the same, but the wording is different. How come? Which is right- the video or the transscript? The date is the same, 11-04-2008.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id251.html

In any case, I find his wording about the children very odd, "well presented", "immaculate", "clean" etc. he keeps stressing how well they all looked.

[lookout]

Robert Murat and his wife are two of the 11 who are going to be interviewed as " witnesses ".

[Roch]

Robert Murat and his wife are two of the 11 who are going to be interviewed as " witnesses ".

How did Murat become an arguido in the first place?

[lookout]

How did Murat become an arguido in the first place?

He told lies,Roch. Firstly,he'd said he was indoors with his mother,yet about half a dozen people recognised him being outside the 5a apartment when police had arrived there.Then he'd said he hadn't contacted Malinka for over 12 months,yet police found that they'd been contacting one another soon after Madeleines' disappearance.
He then showed an interest in the childs' disappearance by helping police,even a journo immediately cast suspicion on him and had said she had a " strange feeling about him and said he seemed creepy ".
It was just his actions in offering to help the police and stepping in as interpretor when the McCanns were being questioned.
His then girlfriend,now his wife, was doing house to house charity collections. She was once married to either the gardener or the guy who cleaned the pools. It all seemed pretty dodgy at the time.
He also flew to the UK very soon after,to visit his ex-wife and daughter who lived in Leicester. Although he had cars,he hired a car to the airport. Malinka also scooted to the UK,as did the son of an owner of a local pub.
There seemed to be a lot of movement of locals at that time,ex-pats ( British )