The case of Madeleine McCann

[Patti]

Mike,it was Russell and Matt that left the tapas at 9.30pm with Matt allegedly checking the McCann children. And it was Russell that stayed at his apartment as his daughter was sick. As far as I'm aware,Payne did not leave the table that night. Well,not until Kate came running to say Maddie had gone anyway.

That is right Tyler. The Paynes had a baby monitor if memory serves me right. 

[mike tesko]

Mike,it was Russell and Matt that left the tapas at 9.30pm with Matt allegedly checking the McCann children. And it was Russell that stayed at his apartment as his daughter was sick. As far as I'm aware,Payne did not leave the table that night. Well,not until Kate came running to say Maddie had gone anyway.

Thank you for reminding me about what the official version of events has been put forward,  but  my understanding is that David Payne did not stay at the tapas bar all evening until Kate raised the alarm. The information I have received is that a monitoring device was used by David Payne to monitor apartment 5A, and that he did not listen outside the bedroom window behind which the McCann children normally slept, he in fact used a monitoring device to listen in to the activities ongoing  there on previous occasions and at that time. Payne had been snooping by use of a monitoring device on the McCann family, and was fully aware of any disturbances which took place inside apartment 5A. It is understood that David Payne alerted Gerry McCann upon his arrival at the tapas bar that there was some disturbance at apartment 5A at the time Payne left his own apartment, and that Payne thought one or other of the parents had still been inside, which caused McCann to return to thier apartment straight away...

[mike tesko]

David Payne was aware that Maddie had complained to Kate on the evening of her disappearence, about why her parents hadn't returned to the apartment on the previous night when the children had been crying? He found this out either being told by Kate, or listening in by way of the monitoring device he was using to snoop on them...

The fact that Maddie had raised the alarm to Kate about the previous evening, was the catalyst for why Maddie had to go missing...

[mike tesko]

Police may have inadvertently photographed the monitoring device inside apartment 5A, if some sort of an arrangement had been made to lend it from David Payne as a result of Maddie waking up crying on the previous night when the McCann parents were out wining and dining...

[mike tesko]

David Payne was aware of everything that happened inside apartment 5A, because he was close to the McCanns and thier children, he was always popping in and out of thier apartment, and he would have known that they had left the patio doors on the poolside of the building, unlocked, on the evening of her disappearence...

[mike tesko]

The reason why Maddie had been crying on the previous evening, may have been the real reason why Maddie went missing, or had to go missing...

[mike tesko]

The events which took place on the evening prior to the disappearence of Maddie, is the key to solving the mystery of her demise. Something shocking and terrible had happened to Maddie during that previous evening, whilst both her parents were blind drunk at the tapas bar. Whatever these shocking and terrible things were, could not be made public knowlege, or whoever had been responsible was done for - so, Maddie had to be got rid of...

I cannot see how Gerry McCann does not know what truly happened to his daughter on the two consecutive occasions I have been speaking about. He cannot have seen Maddie a sleep in bed during his check that he made when leaving the tapas bar at around 9.05pm, because if the cadaver and blood hound evidence has any truth to it, Maddies body must have been inside the wardrobe in the parents bedroom by that stage, subsequently moved into the lounge behind the sofa, and then displaced into the shrubbery of the garden below the patio with its unlocked patio doors. Similarly, when the check was made at around 9.30pm by the two good Samaritons, Maddie could not have still been a sleep in her bed, since why would any would be speculative intruder move her body into the wardrobe in the parents bedroom, then move her body into the lounge behind the sofa, and then displace the body into the shrubbery of the garden on the poolside of the building?

There simply would not have been sufficient time nor reason for any would be speculative abductor to move the dead bidy of achild inbeteeen all these different hiding pkaces in and outside apartment 5A, it has to be an inside job...

[mike tesko]

The only alternative I can see to any of this being true, is that the cadver and blood hound evidence is all wrong...

Which, I do not think is wrong...

[marty]

Really

[mike tesko]

Really

Reaction of Cadaver and blood hound dogs was naturally obtained, I can't see how police dogs can be accused of manufacturing evidence...

[mike tesko]

The way I see it, Maddies body wZ in the wardrobe, behind the sofa, abd amongst tbe shrubbery in the poolside garden, and I don't doubt the evidence of the Cadaver abd blood hound evidence - I ask myself whether or not a speculative abducter would take the time and trouble to conceal the body of a dead child, in each of these three different locations in and around apartment 5A?

In my book, it is much more likely that the family, or close friends, might adopt this approach trying to conceal what had taken place, with a view to removing the body from the apartment, altogether...

[mike tesko]

I am convinced that the cadaver and blood  hound evidenve is true and accurate, and that at one time or another, the body of Maddie was concealed in tge wardfobe of the parents bedroom, then in behind the sofa in the lounfe, and ultimately hidden amongst the shrubbery of the poolside garden...

[tyler]

DP certainly needs closer scrutiny imo,due to his and Kate's differing version of events relating to that early evening visit to 5a,the Gasper statements and the suspicion from the child protection lady.

[marty]

It's not that I don't believe the dogs it just seems a bit like pass the parcel to me. For me it's a bit simpler what happened that's all.

[lookout]

I am convinced that the cadaver and blood  hound evidenve is true and accurate, and that at one time or another, the body of Maddie was concealed in tge wardfobe of the parents bedroom, then in behind the sofa in the lounfe, and ultimately hidden amongst the shrubbery of the poolside garden...

Mike,yes,cadaver dogs do detect what they are trained for,and are pretty accurate,but-------------what they can't do is tell you whose body they've detected.

Not forgetting that two more families moved into 5a pretty soon after the McCanns vacated it to move to another apartment. It was during this time that blood had been found,but it didn't necessarily mean that it was from the McCanns'.

There was also a bloodied shoe print inside the hire car,which was left behind by the PJ who drove the car to the compound where it was then tested. Do we have the previous user of the hire car ? I very much doubt it.