The case of Madeleine McCann

[Alias]

So far I watched two and a half of the videos you posted Roch - thanks for them.

What I noticed was that Dr Payne´s explanation about how he went to see Kate when Gerry was playing tennis.
First of all, there were all these discrepancies in time and also change of story, but what I found most odd is how he mentioned several time how happy and good they all looked (Kate and the children). They were so well groomed and happy.
What a strange thing to say  - unless he was asked about it directly??

I wish that the video maker hadn´t read his statements aloud. He couln´t possibly know how the doctor speaks and his tone of voice. He was trying to put a slant on the statements - didn´t like that..

[Jo]

Hi Caroline,

That is a key question.  Why would there be a cover up?  I've posted up videos 1 & 2 of his research.  There are four videos in total but I'm still watching video 2.  Video 1 is interesting regarding who came on board right from the outset, in representing the McCanns.   

I think Amaral is right when he says of the McCann's "They know that Madeleine is dead and that there were no abductors."

There would be a cover up because they were negligent-they left their kids with no supervision and not only that but they were doctors and it could have had dire consequences for them. Perhaps it's a bit like Shannon Matthews, her mother started something with no exit strategy, so she had to keep it going and now they can't tell the truth.
I don't buy into the 'Mark Warner had a baby listening service, so it might have happened anyway if they used that', when making a decision its a balance of consequences, they have to face the fact they left the kids and it went wrong.

[lookout]

We all know that it was never the right thing to have done,to leave their children alone,and nobody knows better than themselves the enormous mistake they made------------but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to enter your home/apartment and steal a child.
This has been attempted on our own home ground where children playing in their own garden have been lucky not to have been stolen,but alerted in time.

In Cyprus,while on holiday,a young family very nearly lost their child to someone who'd pulled up in a car while the family were on the beach.The offender ran from the car and grabbed the childs' arm,until the father gave chase and retrieved the child. So far as I know,the incident wasn't pursued,though it was said that the family were so shocked that they packed up and went home.

[Roch]

So far I watched two and a half of the videos you posted Roch - thanks for them.

What I noticed was that Dr Payne´s explanation about how he went to see Kate when Gerry was playing tennis.
First of all, there were all these discrepancies in time and also change of story, but what I found most odd is how he mentioned several time how happy and good they all looked (Kate and the children). They were so well groomed and happy.
What a strange thing to say  - unless he was asked about it directly??

I wish that the video maker hadn´t read his statements aloud. He couln´t possibly know how the doctor speaks and his tone of voice. He was trying to put a slant on the statements - didn´t like that..

Hi Alias,

I agree with you about the film maker.  Good point.  I also do not like the way he pronounces 'cadaver'. It's really irritating.

The mobile phone claim regarding GM and Robert Murat is astounding though isn't it?  If you take out of the equation the last claimed sighting by David Payne, who was the last person to have sighted Maddie and when was this?  How long would the McCann's and that Tapas party have had to concoct the abduction scenario?

[Jan]

We all know that it was never the right thing to have done,to leave their children alone,and nobody knows better than themselves the enormous mistake they made------------but it doesn't give ANYONE the right to enter your home/apartment and steal a child.
This has been attempted on our own home ground where children playing in their own garden have been lucky not to have been stolen,but alerted in time.

In Cyprus,while on holiday,a young family very nearly lost their child to someone who'd pulled up in a car while the family were on the beach.The offender ran from the car and grabbed the childs' arm,until the father gave chase and retrieved the child. So far as I know,the incident wasn't pursued,though it was said that the family were so shocked that they packed up and went home.

I stayed in a hotel once for a company function .There was a child listening service . Which basically was a phone off the hook. my son was in a bed and my daughter was in a cot. we sat and had a meal - but I felt very uncomfortable despite the reception assuring me it was fine and they would come a get us if there was a problem. Anyway I decided I would not be happy unless I checked the children. as I walked down the hallway I could hear them screaming. When I went in the room my son had got my daughter out of the cot and they had run amock with my makeup and  baby talc. when I asked my son what they were doing he said he had seen the phone off the hook - thought it should not be like that so he put it back on and had let out his sister because he was lonely  That was the first and last time I trusted anything like that. And if we were abroad we just went back to hotels or apartments early.

I agree that you should not have to think constantly about evil people , but children left alone can be in danger from other things as well so that should be taken into consideration.

[Alias]

Hi Alias,

I agree with you about the film maker.  Good point.  I also do not like the way he pronounces 'cadaver'. It's really irritating.

The mobile phone claim regarding GM and Robert Murat is astounding though isn't it?  If you take out of the equation the last claimed sighting by David Payne, who was the last person to have sighted Maddie and when was this?  How long would the McCann's and that Tapas party have had to concoct the abduction scenario?

I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

[Roch]

I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

Well whatever they were up to, I mean the McCanns, their group of friends the so called Tapas 7 and any other relevent parties such as Murat, something went badly wrong.  And it very quickly resulted in massive interference, spin doctoring and other support from UK authorities.   People will draw their own conclusions.

[Jan]

I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

And if they were , then why try and keep the case so high profile for so long?

[lookout]

I don´t know that much about this case, but to me it seems like they are lying. Why?

No,they're not lying. It was yet another bungled case right from the start.

[Roch]

No,they're not lying. It was yet another bungled case right from the start.

The case divides opinion and I understand many people feel they are tragic victims of a child abduction.  However my understanding is that in Portugal where this took place, there is far less understanding or sympathy for them. 

[Roch]

And if they were , then why try and keep the case so high profile for so long?

They have to keep the abduction scenario alive.  If they were to give up 'looking for Madeleine', people would inevitably question their commitment to the abduction scenario. 

[lookout]

The case divides opinion and I understand many people feel they are tragic victims of a child abduction.  However my understanding is that in Portugal where this took place, there is far less understanding or sympathy for them.

Yes,I think this is the general concensus when a child goes missing there,as it's just as " another missing child ". If you read about the Casa Pia childrens home,it gives you an idea where most of the children used to end up. Stories from there are horrendous.

[Roch]

Yes,I think this is the general concensus when a child goes missing there,as it's just as " another missing child ". If you read about the Casa Pia childrens home,it gives you an idea where most of the children used to end up. Stories from there are horrendous.

Madeleine is briefly mentioned in this article about Casa Pia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

Lookout, what do you think of the Gaspar witness statements in the McCann case?  The alleged conversation witnessed between David Payne and Gerry McCann.

[lookout]

Madeleine is briefly mentioned in this article about Casa Pia: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

Lookout, what do you think of the Gaspar witness statements in the McCann case?  The alleged conversation witnessed between David Payne and Gerry McCann.

Roch,I didn't attach anything to the alleged conversation. It could have been an innocent conversation involving their work as doctors. When hearsay crops up,we only hear what we WANT to hear just to further their cause,and in this case,it was to blacken the names of both men.

[Roch]

Roch,I didn't attach anything to the alleged conversation. It could have been an innocent conversation involving their work as doctors. When hearsay crops up,we only hear what we WANT to hear just to further their cause,and in this case,it was to blacken the names of both men.

Hi Lookout.  Do you mean that the Gaspars set out to blacken the names of Payne/GM or that persons unknown put them up to it? 

These are the statements:  http://mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATERINA-PAYNE-INCIDENT.htm