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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #390 on: May 24, 2011, 07:02:PM »
Security device on windows to prevent anyone opening them from outside the bedroom window without leaving any jemmy marks where the window would have had to be forced open:-

Anyone wishing to force open the window of the bedroom of apartment 5a, would have needed to use some sort of tool to jemmy open the window from its surrounding frame - no such marks were found or existed at all on the outside of the window or its surround - which tells its own story (window was not forced open by anyone outside the bedroom window)...

Security device on windows has two settings (1) up, and (2) down...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #391 on: May 24, 2011, 07:24:PM »
Security devices on both the steel shutter, and the window, make it virtually impossible for anyone to have forced open either without leaving some sort of physical trace that the windows or the steel shutter were jemmied open:-

The only way the bedroom window of apartment 5a was opened was by someone inside the bedroom, not outside - similarly, nobody could have forced the steel shutter up from outside the bedroom window without operating the security strap on the right had side of the window, inside the bedroom...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #392 on: May 24, 2011, 08:23:PM »
Suggestion that Maddie was abducted through the bedroom window and steel shutter by a complete stranger, seems out of the question, in my opinion - window issue is nothing but a red herring...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #393 on: May 24, 2011, 10:39:PM »
Suggestion that Maddie was abducted through the bedroom window and steel shutter by a complete stranger, seems out of the question, in my opinion - window issue is nothing but a red herring...

John isn't on hand with his technical expertise to argue the case.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #394 on: May 24, 2011, 10:56:PM »
My understanding of the shutter saga is that two people acted together, one of whom was inside the apartment and opened the shutter from there - passing Maddie ( dead or alive? ) to an accomplice outside.

Either that or Gerry is making the whole thing up.

I seem to recall that the PJ dogs did pick up the scent of Maddie in the early searches but that the trail ended at the nearby supermarket.

There may have been two reasons for this.

Firstly that she was put into a car, and secondly - and backed up by a witness report, that she may have been dumped in a refuse container that was due to be dumped in the ocean around 3am.

The PJ never found any rogue dna or fingerprints and so they were always focused on the members of the Tapas 9.

Kate's 'they've taken her' outburst put her straight in the frame.

If there was an abductor or abductors, I just cannot fathom why they would go the shutter route from the outside - especially as this would likely cause enough noise to put them at risk.

If there was an abduction I do not believe in the international gang theory, I would go for a local, very local at that.




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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #395 on: May 25, 2011, 11:03:AM »
The following seals it for me - according to the McCanns, nobody knew they left the patio door on the poolside of the apartment open, until about 9.30pm, when Kate told Mathew Oldfield and Russell O'Brien that they would not need the key to apartment 5a, because they had left the patio door open.,
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #396 on: May 25, 2011, 11:15:AM »
There was no evidence of a forced entry - anyone responsible for removing Maddie from 5a, did so by entering via the open patio door...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #397 on: May 25, 2011, 11:32:AM »
Since, there was only a 30 minute period, between when it became common knowledge that the patio door to 5a had been left open - the person, or persons who took Maddie from her bed, were privy to such information. The chances of a stranger discovering that the patio door was left open, within the half hour period that some members of the tapas group found out from Kate, is too large a leap of faith to believe such a coincidence occurred...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #398 on: May 25, 2011, 11:50:AM »
Although, only Oldfield and O'BRIEN initially knew the patio door had been left open, it would seem possible, that they told other members about it, once they got back to the tapas bar. There were only four members of the group who had the knowlege that the patio door had been left open, and who left the tapas bar, to go back to the apartments, these were - (1) Mathew Oldfield, (2) Russel O'Brien, (3) David Payne, and  (4) Jane Tanner...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #399 on: May 25, 2011, 12:06:PM »
Of these four, Oldfield left the tapas bar at 9.30m with O'Brien, and returned by himself at about 9.35pm, leaving O'Brien back at his apartment tending his sick child, and he did not return to bar until just before Kate left to check 5a...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #400 on: May 25, 2011, 02:38:PM »
Jane Tanner was not at the tapas bar when Kate left to go and discover 'they' had taken Maddie...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #402 on: May 25, 2011, 09:26:PM »
View looking back in direction of church / derelict building and Pub, from region of second horizontal drain, on coastline track

It is believed that those responsible for "Maddies disappearance", used this track under the cover of darkness, to move the child's remains into the grounds of the derelict building opposite the church at PDL - this track gave access to a set of concrete steps at the side of the pub, and a small veranda, with a low wall that afforded access into the grounds at the back of the derelict building...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #403 on: May 25, 2011, 09:34:PM »
View from grounds at the back of the derelict building, of the church clock tower - Evidence relating to "Maddies disappearance" is believed to be buried in the grounds of this derelict building

Police have never properly searched the grounds of this derelict building, as part of the search to find and locate Maddie...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #404 on: May 25, 2011, 09:38:PM »
Patio terrace at side of pub, with low wall that gives access to back garden of derelict building

Patio terrace at side of The Bull pub, PDL...
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