The case of Madeleine McCann

[shonapugs]

Mike, did you bring any samples back (e.g. soil or clothing) that could be tested for DNA?

[CHRIS T]

My week long attendance in PDL looking into the circumstances of this case, led me to the grounds of a derelict building opposite the church, which became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - I will be posting all the photographs I took (shortly) whilst carrying out a brief examination of the scene, on that occasion. It soon became clear that this place had not been throughly searched as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Maddie McCann. It has still not yet been throughly searched, despite me drawing the attention of the Portuguese police to this site and the clues I discovered there...

How would you know if it had been searched Mike?

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police records and visual examination, see the photographs later and make your own mind up...

So you are privy to police records in Portugal now?  ...pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeease.

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Stop being an idiot - of course I have had access to some police records like anyone else who has read the Maddie case files. Why is it that all you appear to do is try to cause trouble, as though your some sort of superhuman being who knows everything? Now if you want to talk or debate then fine, but otherwise get lost...

Charming...is that the attitude that advocates for Jeremy Beagle Bamber should be promoting?

Funny how everyone who disagrees with you is causing trouble?

Why am I not surprised?   

Why do you have to be so sarcastic, rude, insulting and condescending, in almost all of your posts to other members on here, John? It is really beginning to piss people off! In case you hadn't noticed, there are many individuals out there who are suspicious of the account/story the McCann's have given, and continue to give, regarding the disappearance of their daughter, (and for very good reason). It does not mean that those who have a hard time buying the McCann's official story do not want to see a happy ending in this case, on the contrary, all they want to see is justice done for little Maddie, whoever is behind her disappearance.

I for one respect Mike T for the work he is doing in this case (as i do regarding all he has done, and continues to do for Jeremy Bambers). I don't see anything at all wrong with his attitude (shame we can't say the same about yours), and he is respectful to members at all times. The only time he is not, is when it is called for.

[Sparkfilms]

John is clearly an aka for Daphne.

[Roch]

Im so paranoid about anything happening to my daughter that if shes in bed at night i wont even sit out on our back garden unless i have baby moniter on (and shes 5!!!)

I always remember that little girl who was abducted out of her bathroom whilst her mum was on the phone or something and it made me worry so much!

That happened just over the water from my town.  Thank God the little mite was found.

[joolz1975]

Im so paranoid about anything happening to my daughter that if shes in bed at night i wont even sit out on our back garden unless i have baby moniter on (and shes 5!!!)

I always remember that little girl who was abducted out of her bathroom whilst her mum was on the phone or something and it made me worry so much!

That happened just over the water from my town.  Thank God the little mite was found.

Yes thank god!

Too many nutcases around now for our kids to be safe anywhere!

[tonyb]

Place where McCanns hired hire car was across the street from the church, and next door to the derelict building - making it convenient for the perpetrators to move the body and evidence from place to place in the boot of the hire car. Fact that hire car was parked up in street outside the church and near to the hire shop and derelict building did little to raise anyones suspicions...

  Isn't that the car the police impounded to examine? I'll be the first to admit I don't know or if it's been brought up earlier but if a body had of been in the car there would be trace evidence?

[Roch]

Place where McCanns hired hire car was across the street from the church, and next door to the derelict building - making it convenient for the perpetrators to move the body and evidence from place to place in the boot of the hire car. Fact that hire car was parked up in street outside the church and near to the hire shop and derelict building did little to raise anyones suspicions...

  Isn't that the car the police impounded to examine? I'll be the first to admit I don't know or if it's been brought up earlier but if a body had of been in the car there would be trace evidence?

According to the dogs there was.

[mike tesko]

Upon my return to the Uk, after my week long stay in PDL, I sent the photographs I took of the derelict building and its grounds, including the bones, and the clothing, to the Portuguese police, asking them to carry out a proper investigation of the site, and for them to seize the clothing, which I believe was worn by one of the persons involved in the disappearance of Maddie from apartment 5a...

They confirmed receipt of my email and attachments to them...

Items of clothing found there, may contain crucial DNA evidence, belonging to the perpetrator, and Maddie - sizes for each garment and the labels upon them will obviously provide fundamental clues as to the identity of the individual concerned, as well as possible clues as to where those items were purchased from, by way of credit cards, or whatever...

What struck me, when I examined the clothing was that there were individual strands of light colored hair attached to the jumper / pullover, which could possibly have been a link to Maddie...

The bones I discovered at the site, need to be examined to establish whether they are human, and for DNA, if they are...

[mike tesko]

Hire car...

This was rented by the McCanns at the local car hire shop in PDL, opposite the church and next door to the derelict building - it would not have looked out of place being parked up in the street outside the hire shop after it was hired by the McCanns...

It could so easily have been parked up at night adjacent to the derelict building so that at an opportune moment, things could have been taken or placed into the boot, between it and the derelict building or vice Versa...

[Roch]

Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?

[mike tesko]

Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?

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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...

[Roch]

Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?

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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...

I bought in to his arguments to.  I can see your point about items having been in contact with maddie postmortem.  Those dogs pretty much sealed my opinions against the McCann's and their associates having some knowledge what happened.  I cant understand how anyone can write them off.  But i cant understand how the McCann's could take the stance that they since have.  If they do know what actually happened, stirring up further high level enquires would amount to a brazenness difficult to comprehend. 

[mike tesko]

Mike... I'm assuming you have read 'Truth of the Lie' by Amaral.  Do you have an opinion on his arguments?

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Yes, I have read, "truth of the lie", and I think he made some very good points that expose the myth that Maddie was abducted by a stranger from apartment 5a, in between about 9:05pm and 10pm that evening whilst her parents were wining and dining at the nearby tapas bar. I with Amaral, in his view that members of the tapas bar helped to dispose of the body, or knew something about Maddie's disappearance, more than they were letting on...

Although he concludes as a result of the cadaver / bloodhound dogs, that Maddie's body was concealed at the apartment behind the settee in the lounge, or in the main bedroom in a space between the side of the bed, and a cupboard, and in the garden beneath the patio veranda, I have had time to reflect a little, and I am now of the opinion that Maddies body would not necessarily have had to be there, it could have been clothing worn by either Maddie or the person or persons who were responsible for moving Maddies body at a later stage - for example, clothing, or a bag, or anything that could have been used to wrap up Maddie's remains whilst it was being moved from one place to another could have been placed out of sight temporarily, in the places or locations where the dogs gave a positive reaction and this is what the dogs picked up on?

The same argument could be made for the way the dogs reacted at the boot of the hire car - things could have been carried in the boot that was either worn, or used during the displacement of the body at a later time to its current location...

I bought in to his arguments to.  I can see your point about items having been in contact with maddie postmortem.  Those dogs pretty much sealed my opinions against the McCann's and their associates having some knowledge what happened.  I cant understand how anyone can write them off.  But i cant understand how the McCann's could take the stance that they since have.  If they do know what actually happened, stirring up further high level enquires would amount to a brazenness difficult to comprehend.

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If the hire car was used to move the remains of Maddie from one place to the other, in the boot of the hire car, or to carry items used in the removal, displacement and disposal of her remains, the dogs would have reacted in the way they did, without the body necessarily having physically been in the boot...

As I say...

if the hire car had been parked up outside in the street near the car hire shop, church and derelict building, it would not have raised any eyebrows, or suspicion because the hire car would normally be parked up in that part of the street on the occasions it was waiting to be hired...

Let us remind ourselves also, that the church became a favorite haunt of the McCann parents - they were given a key to the church doors so that they could go there in the middle of the night, a feature which upset the local residents/ parishioners...

Just across the street, was the derelict building, with its isolated grounds...

[mike tesko]

Significance of the Smith family sighting:-

Gerry McCann  was identified as the person seen carrying a child who could have been Maddie, in close proximity to "LUZdoc", and may have been an attempt by him to get medical assistance, but it was closed at the time of the alleged sighting...

The LUZdoc building is situated down towards the coastline, in the general direction where the Smith contingent were confronted by the man who could have been Gerry McCann...

[John]

Significance of the Smith family sighting:-

Gerry McCann  was identified as the person seen carrying a child who could have been Maddie, in close proximity to "LUZdoc", and may have been an attempt by him to get medical assistance, but it was closed at the time of the alleged sighting...

The LUZdoc building is situated down towards the coastline, in the general direction where the Smith contingent were confronted by the man who could have been Gerry McCann...

He has a doppelgänger then as he couldn't be in two places at once? 

It was said that the child could have been MADELEINE McCANN, although it was never peremptorily stated. Some time later, the witness alleged that, by its stance, the individual who carried the child could be GERALD McCANN, which was concluded when he saw him descending the stairs from an airplane, pages 2871, 3991 and following and 4135 and following. It was established that at the time that was being mentioned, GERALD McCANN was sitting at the table, in the Tapas Restaurant.'