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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1845 on: October 19, 2013, 01:39:PM »
Patti,

There are two supermarkets, one (a) along the route taken by the person with Mad's, seen by the Smiths, and another supermarket (b) on the same road as the entrance and entry to the tapas bar...

Okie Dokies Mike. The Baptista Supermarket was were the dog had tracked Madeline.


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1846 on: October 19, 2013, 01:44:PM »
it should be self evident, that scotland yard would have had access to the creche records as per the deposit and collection times of children by parents or minders, so and because the British police are now almost sure that it could have been Mad's being carried off when seen by the Smiths, I think the police will already have considered for the possibility that the Smith sighting might be another case of a parent carrying home a child after collection from the creche, and rejected it...

I agree with that. :)

It was interesting that the police said the Smiths saw the man heading for the beech....Parked at the beech was the musician....But, he told police he didn't see anyone.  This was him.


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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1847 on: October 19, 2013, 01:51:PM »
Dogs tracked Mad's scent to the car park behind the Baptiste supermarket, which is linked to the other car park of the other supermarket. Both supermarkets are depicted by positioning of the yellow circle, and the orange one, below...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1848 on: October 19, 2013, 01:53:PM »
Like the 'silencer'evidence in the Bamber case that had all the elements in one exhibit that would go on to help convict JB of the crime,ie blood,hair paint etc.......the Tanner sighting always seemed to remind me of pretty much the same thing.......potential sighting of abductor,witnesses and an alibi for GM. Unfortunately this has now all gone out of the window and we are left with the Smith sighting whereby Mr Smith was/is 60% to 80% certain that the man he saw carrying a child was GM. I agree with Patti in that if Maddie truly was abducted,a vehicle would have been used. There seemed to be such a small window of oppurtunity though for her to have been taken due to the comings and goings of the 'tapas' group. Surely somebody must have seen something?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1849 on: October 19, 2013, 02:14:PM »
Like the 'silencer'evidence in the Bamber case that had all the elements in one exhibit that would go on to help convict JB of the crime,ie blood,hair paint etc.......the Tanner sighting always seemed to remind me of pretty much the same thing.......potential sighting of abductor,witnesses and an alibi for GM. Unfortunately this has now all gone out of the window and we are left with the Smith sighting whereby Mr Smith was/is 60% to 80% certain that the man he saw carrying a child was GM. I agree with Patti in that if Maddie truly was abducted,a vehicle would have been used. There seemed to be such a small window of oppurtunity though for her to have been taken due to the comings and goings of the 'tapas' group. Surely somebody must have seen something?

Hi Tyler :)

It was only Smith himself that thought it was Gerry simply because of the way Gerry had carried one of the twins getting of the plane on their return to England. The others in family disagreed with him and Smith himself said the man he had seen that night carrying a child looked like he was European, olive skinned and dressed Mediterranean style. No way does it describe Gerry, besides Gerry was still sat in the tapas bar when the Smiths saw the man carrying a small child.  Its uncanny that the Smiths mirror the description of the man that Tanner saw in his dress style.  :-\

I suspect Scotland Yard have interviewed and have worked with the Smith family for a period of time leading up the televised Crimewatch.  They are convinced that Madeline's parents are not responsible for her disappearance..... :) :) :) :)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1850 on: October 19, 2013, 03:17:PM »
Hi Tyler :)

It was only Smith himself that thought it was Gerry simply because of the way Gerry had carried one of the twins getting of the plane on their return to England. The others in family disagreed with him and Smith himself said the man he had seen that night carrying a child looked like he was European, olive skinned and dressed Mediterranean style. No way does it describe Gerry, besides Gerry was still sat in the tapas bar when the Smiths saw the man carrying a small child.  Its uncanny that the Smiths mirror the description of the man that Tanner saw in his dress style.  :-\

I suspect Scotland Yard have interviewed and have worked with the Smith family for a period of time leading up the televised Crimewatch.  They are convinced that Madeline's parents are not responsible for her disappearance..... :) :) :) :)
Patti,I know SY have said that the McCanns are not suspects,but no-one can be sure that they are 'convinced' that they were not involved.Leicestershire Police once stated that there was nothing in the files that exonerated them. I am not saying that the McCanns are guilty of anything other than child neglect,its just that not all the elements of MM's disappearance ring quite true for me. Note that SY don't refer to Maddie's disappearance as an 'abduction'. They use the words 'missing' and 'lost' as opposed to 'abducted' or 'taken'. Can anything be read into that? I don't know  :-\  SY have said that arrests are imminent. I guess well just have to wait and see what they come up with.

BTW........any news on the man they arrested in Manchester?

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1851 on: October 19, 2013, 03:35:PM »
How uncanny, that the Smith sighting of the man carrying the child, was very close to the medical center (LUZDOC), which was closed by 10pm, with a note pinned on the window for emergency cases to telephone a 24 hr service, locally...
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 03:41:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1852 on: October 19, 2013, 03:46:PM »
Did the person who was seen by the Smiths, intend to take Mad's to the doctors in Luz, but found it closed? Did he then make a telephone call, following the instructions on the note in the window, and could this be one of the reasons why Gerry McCann deleted his phone records on his mobile phone regarding calls he made and received that evening...
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 03:49:PM by mike tesko »
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1853 on: October 19, 2013, 03:48:PM »
so basically the only evidence against the mcanns is this mr smith. who has changed his story a few times i believe.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1854 on: October 19, 2013, 03:56:PM »
so basically the only evidence against the mcanns is this mr smith. who has changed his story a few times i believe.

Portuguese police believed that Mad's had died in apartment 5A, and that McCanns created a cover story, etc...

If there had been such an accident, it would be natural for one of the parents to rush off to the local medical center (LUZDOC), lending weight to the identification by Smith of Gerry McCann carrying his own child...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1855 on: October 19, 2013, 04:02:PM »
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1856 on: October 19, 2013, 04:22:PM »
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.

Or anyone for that matter Nugs.  :) :) :)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1857 on: October 19, 2013, 04:28:PM »
what the Portuguese police believed isn't evidence.

What the parents and other members of the group didn't, or refused to say, when interviewed by the Portuguese police and the alteration of timings of the apartment checks made by the parents and other group members, is evidence which cannot easily be ignored. Nobody forced the steel shutter of apartment 5A open, there are no corresponding marks where a tool would have been used to force the shutter up. The shutter was opened by somebody inside the apartment to give an impression that Mad's had been taken by someone by that route...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1858 on: October 19, 2013, 04:34:PM »
What the parents and other members of the group didn't, or refused to say, when interviewed by the Portuguese police and the alteration of timings of the apartment checks made by the parents and other group members, is evidence which cannot easily be ignored. Nobody forced the steel shutter of apartment 5A open, there are no corresponding marks where a tool would have been used to force the shutter up. The shutter was opened by somebody inside the apartment to give an impression that Mad's had been taken by someone by that route...

Mad's was taken into the heart of PDL, not further afield...

Introduction by Tanner of the sighting of the man carrying his child in the direction of Murats residence, was designed to try and throw police off the scent from what really took place...
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1859 on: October 19, 2013, 04:39:PM »
Mad's was taken into the heart of PDL, not further afield...

Introduction by Tanner of the sighting of the man carrying his child in the direction of Murats residence, was designed to try and throw police off the scent from what really took place...

How could it have been designed to throw people off when she did see someone carrying a child? This man has now been identified.

The parents of Madeline had nothing to do with her disappearance nor did the friends they were with. Its pure speculation about the medical services and that Smith saw Gerry that night.  Its been established that was not the case Mike.  :-\