The case of Madeleine McCann

[lookout]

I'm also well aware that timings/time factors can be hit and miss--------such as in the JB case.

[lookout]

Matt had got up at 10pm to see to his daughter,Grace,,and at the same time,Kate had also got up,so Matt had said there was no point in the two of them going,so Kate sat back down again. When Matt returned,,he'd said " all was quiet ",,however it was then that Kate decided to go along herself,,and that's when she found that Madeleine had been taken.

[tyler]

According to his statement,Matt listened outside the window of the Mccanns apartment at 9pm whilst checking on his own kids. He offered to do Kate's 9.30 check for her and at this check he entered the apartment and saw the twins but not Maddie as it was too dark. Think the confusion is because he actually did two checks,one auditory and one visual.

[mike tesko]

Times referred to by group members have to be treated as estimated, not definitive. Since, all group members did not synchronise their clocks and watch's beforehand, times were synchronised afterward when explanations were required. It took two attempts to get these timings right though, I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that there were or had been two sightings of a man carrying a child, one sighting made by Tanner, the other made by the Smith family in the opposite side of the apartment block?

Is the reason that two different sets of timings were drafted up, dependant upon which sighting of a man carrying a child was to be accepted as the genuine one? If so, should we now adopt the disguarded set of timings, and if we do that how does this impact on the possibility for one or other of the group being the man seen carrying off Mad's at around 10pm'...

[mike tesko]

Times referred to by group members have to be treated as estimated, not definitive. Since, all group members did not synchronise their clocks and watch's beforehand, times were synchronised afterward when explanations were required. It took two attempts to get these timings right though, I wonder if this had anything to do with the fact that there were or had been two sightings of a man carrying a child, one sighting made by Tanner, the other made by the Smith family in the opposite side of the apartment block?

Is the reason that two different sets of timings were drafted up, dependant upon which sighting of a man carrying a child was to be accepted as the genuine one? If so, should we now adopt the disguarded set of timings, and if we do that how does this impact on the possibility for one or other of the group being the man seen carrying off Mad's at around 10pm'...

This is one of those cases, that wreaks of it being an inside job...

[mike tesko]

Putting group timings of events to one side for a moment, give or take five or ten minutes, either way - it then becomes a distinct possibility that one or other group member, could have been the man carrying off Mad's as seen by the smiths, en route down toward the remote coastal footpath...

[lookout]

Putting group timings of events to one side for a moment, give or take five or ten minutes, either way - it then becomes a distinct possibility that one or other group member, could have been the man carrying off Mad's as seen by the smiths, en route down toward the remote coastal footpath...

Mike,,he'd have had to have disposed of the body somehow. The trail would have attracted the sniffer dogs. Unless there was a handy lump of rock close by to sink the body,,but you'd have to chuck it far enough out in case it returned with the tide.

[mike tesko]

Consider this scenario:-

Kate discovered Mad's missing at about 9.50pm when she went to check on her babes. Alarm is raised, one of the group goes out on pretense of searching streets for Mad's, but knows where she was and walks with her as far as the supermarket, then he picks her up in his arms and walks carrying her and is seen by the Smiths walking in direction of coast...

[Patti]

It was Russell O'Briens' daughter who was sick that night,and at 9.25pm he went along to attend to her. He was gone for 25 minutes. This is the partner of Jane Tanner,and they have two children between them.

Oldfield checked on the McCann children at 9.25,but didn't go inside the bedroom. In fact,,he just listened to make sure none of them were crying.

Payne was the only one using a baby monitor to check on his two children,,and him,his wife and mother-in-law joined the group at 8.55pm.

Hi Lookout

It was Russell and Matthew that went together at about 9:30.  Only Matthew returned because one of Russell's children was sick....When Jane had finished her dinner she went back to the apartment so he could go and have his dinner.  This was about 9:50....

Matthew listened outside the window where the children slept at about 9pm the shutter was down....

Gerry did his check at about 9:05 Jane about 9:10 -9:15 


9:00 Matthew listened at the bedroom window

9:05 bedroom door was open Gerry closes the door and looks at Madeline.

9:30 bedroom door was open Matthew listens and could see the twins the door had been opened again.
 
10:00 bedroom door was open, baring in mind that Matthew did not close it, but Gerry did.....Kate does
her check and the door was opened and as she went to close it, it slammed to. Madeline had gone.

[mike tesko]

Consider this scenario:-

Kate discovered Mad's missing at about 9.50pm when she went to check on her babes. Alarm is raised, one of the group goes out on pretense of searching streets for Mad's, but knows where she was and walks with her as far as the supermarket, then he picks her up in his arms and walks carrying her and is seen by the Smiths walking in direction of coast...

I do not think that Mad's was carried out of apartment 5A, I think she walked out with someone she knew well. She was carried once she got as far as the supermarket, hence why the sniffer dogs could only track her scent as far as the shops...

[mike tesko]

does anyone know what the alternative time scale was/is...

[Patti]

does anyone know what the alternative time scale was/is...

Hi Mike

I think what they are saying is that it might have been closer to 10pm that Madeline was abducted and not at 9:10 or 9:15 as they originally thought.   

[Alias]

Is it true that the English prime minister took an interest in the case and THAT is the reason it is being looked into thoroughly?
In any case, they are way delayed and behind, since they didn´t start this immediately after the Portugese police messed up big time...
That is what I always say. Jeremy Bamber needs some high profile celebrity(ies)/politician(s) to take and interest in his case.
The West Memphis Three had Eddie Vedder, The Dixie Chicks and Johnny Depp, that helped, they are free after eighteen years in prison, one of them on death row.

[tyler]

Mike,does the Smith sighting necessarily have to be one of the tapas group? Could not one of the tapas members, whilst on one of their 'checks' have handed MM to another person?

[mike tesko]

Hi Mike

I think what they are saying is that it might have been closer to 10pm that Madeline was abducted and not at 9:10 or 9:15 as they originally thought.   

Hi Patti,

I am referring to the alternative times of the checks made by the tapas group, not the reconstruction...