The case of Madeleine McCann

[susan]

Hello Patti

think Alias lives in Denmark.

[Patti]

Hello Patti

think Alias lives in Denmark.

Arrr thank you Susan.....

[tyler]

Scotland Yard have changed the timeline in the case and are focussing on the period around when GM made his check on the children at around 9.05pm. Are they thinking that abductor was already in the apartment? What I have never really understood is why GM entered by way of the front door using his key,when everyone else used the unlocked patio door in order to enter and check on the children?

[nugnug]

i still think the abductor had a key.

[Patti]

I suspect it will be Jane Tanners evidence within the timeline that might be changed.  What I mean is that she said she saw Gerry and Jez Wilkins chatting and as she approached the top of junction she saw a man crossing the road with a child..... Neither men saw a thing.  Could it be that she was mistaken at this point?

I suppose we will find out tomorrow.

I've always thought that whoever took her, must have either had a key and worked at the complex or were watching from various view points and knew the patio door was left unlocked.  Whoever it was must have been in close proximity at the time....

If you believe the Smiths evidence then surely must suggest someone without transport, otherwise the abductor would have took her and gone almost immediately.  Its either a holiday maker or a local...It could also be that if they did have a vehicle it was distinctive and that would give reason for it to have been parked at a different location other that near the complex....

[mike tesko]

Check made at 9:30pm, is the key moment in the time line of events, two male members of tapas group leave tapas bar together, volunteering to check apartment 5A...

it will be interesting if the mobile telephones of these two men have been tracked traced, and or linked to other members of the group, or to any suspect in the case...

The check made at 9.30pm, was the first time anyone other than the McCanns had gone back to check their apartment, and on this occasion, Kate revealed to both men that the patio door had been left unlocked - it would be a remarkable coincidence that all of these circumstances were prevalent, and it all coincided with the disappearance of Maddie, between just after 9pm, and 10pm that night...

Jane Tanners sighting is a red herring...

Tanner is linked to one of the men away from the tapas bar at the material time when Maddie went missing - she had a motive to make up a story about seeing a man carrying a child off in a direction going away from the apartment block, in the opposite direction to where the Smith family contingent saw a man carrying a young child in his arms heading in the general direction of the coastal road / footpath...

if others were involved in Maddies disappearance, police will find links with those from the group who took part in it...

[Patti]

Check made at 9:30pm, is the key moment in the time line of events, two male members of tapas group leave tapas bar together, volunteering to check apartment 5A...

it will be interesting if the mobile telephones of these two men have been tracked traced, and or linked to other members of the group, or to any suspect in the case...

The check made at 9.30pm, was the first time anyone other than the McCanns had gone back to check their apartment, and on this occasion, Kate revealed to both men that the patio door had been left unlocked - it would be a remarkable coincidence that all of these circumstances were prevalent, and it all coincided with the disappearance of Maddie, between just after 9pm, and 10pm that night...

Jane Tanners sighting is a red herring...

Tanner is linked to one of the men away from the tapas bar at the material time when Maddie went missing - she had a motive to make up a story about seeing a man carrying a child off in a direction going away from the apartment block, in the opposite direction to where the Smith family contingent saw a man carrying a young child in his arms heading in the general direction of the coastal road / footpath...

if others were involved in Maddies disappearance, police will find links with those from the group who took part in it...

Mike yes both men did leave together, but only one of them checked apartment 5A according to their statements.  The revelation of the patio door being open could of course have been heard by anyone who was near the party that night.

I don't think Jane Tanner had any ulterior motive at all. Her partner did not return because one of the little ones were being sick.  She went back to the apartment to releave him so he could eat his dinner.

We shall see what happens tomorrow eh? 

[Patti]

Here are the e-fit photo's that Scotland have released....

[Roch]

Are people just going to forget the cadaver & blood dogs?

[Patti]

Are people just going to forget the cadaver & blood dogs?

Hi Roch

Most people believe that the dogs found blood from Madeline. This is not so, the dogs can detect cadaver and blood, but what they can't do is tell you who it belongs too.....Plus its inadmissible in our courts, I believe.

When one of the dogs went into the car park and smelled something of Madeline's and barked at the wall, front passenger seat of the car and the boot.  Most people including the dog owner would say that the dog had smelled something, but you have to remember that anything that belonged to Madeline was also handled by her mother.....I have much respect for these dogs, I just wished they could talk....

[Roch]

Hi Patti. Was one of the dogs not a cadaver dog, trained only to scent corpses? X

[Patti]

Hi Patti. Was one of the dogs not a cadaver dog, trained only to scent corpses? X

Yes it was Roch.  I think they can smell cadaver for many years after up to 30 years or maybe more.  I can't explain that one away, because I don't know much about how it all works.  I do believe that it was argued that because they are doctor's and been with people who had died that this smell could have transferred from clothing...

I was just about to close down and saw your post....Night Roch...

[grahameb]

The poor lass may indeed be no more? But I still think the police are doing a great job in their investigative work on this case.

[Roch]

Yes it was Roch.  I think they can smell cadaver for many years after up to 30 years or maybe more.  I can't explain that one away, because I don't know much about how it all works.  I do believe that it was argued that because they are doctor's and been with people who had died that this smell could have transferred from clothing...

I was just about to close down and saw your post....Night Roch...

Hi Patti.

That's an interesting theory, re the doctors and dead bodies. Is it possible somebody could embed the cadaver dogs video from youtube? I cant do this from my phone (atrocious IT skills). In the video, we see the hire car checked, items of the McCann's checked and the apartment checked. One dog is cadaver and one blood. I think the blood dog gives a passive reading in the apartment, at the same place (between back of sofa and window) as the cadaver dog previously indicated. I know that the evidence is inadmissible in court but personally, I've always felt it was damning. 

[mike tesko]

If the new police investigation intends to leave no stone unturned, I expect them to visit the grounds of the derelict building identified by me as a place of signicance, I expect the police to sieze the clothing, the single mattress in the pink room, and other items found at the scene. I expect the mounds of garden waste and rubble will be sifted through, and the hole in the ground which I have previously pinpointed as the place where those responsible disposed of the body, is excavated - DNA of the suspects, and Maddie will be found here, where I photographed "THE GHOST OF MADDIE", the truth is about to be revealed relating to what really happened to her...