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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1515 on: July 05, 2013, 06:37:PM »
I still believe that Murat and Malinka factor in all this somehow.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1516 on: July 05, 2013, 06:51:PM »
i am almost certan that they do.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1517 on: July 05, 2013, 07:30:PM »
I still believe that Murat and Malinka factor in all this somehow.



Yes,tyler.Murat,Malinka and Symington.
All involved with boats.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1518 on: July 06, 2013, 05:28:AM »
Enigma threw up a possibility that a couple took offence at the table arrangements in the tapas bar, which favoured the tapas 9 group, and that they might be responsible for Maddies disappearance, but it rated this outcome at 20%. A whopping 43% likelihood that Tanner and Payne played some role in the matter, another 14% risk of involvement by O'Brien, 15% risk of McCann parents having had something to do with it, and a 4% risk of Maddie having been abducted by pedophiles...

These figures shocked me because I thought the Parents would be prime suspects (according to Enigma, they rated only a 15% risk of involvement)...

The day after whatever it was that was so distressing for Maddie, visited in apartment 5A by a british speaking couple whilst parents were out wining and dining at the tapas bar, Madeleine asked her mummy why she didn't come when she had been crying on the evening beforehand - in her book, Kate refers to mentioning it to other members of the group on the evening of Maddies disappearance, which could have been the trigger which sparked off the incident of the abduction. If true, then the too-ing and fro-ing of certain group members between apartments and the tapas restaurant bar on the evening of Maddies disappearance becomes highly relevant...

It may well be that by Kate revealing to the other members of the group on the evening of the disappearance, that Maddie had mentioned something had upset her the previous night in apartment 5A, which had caused Madeleine to cry, calling out for her mummy, set into motion the events which took place between around 9:05pm and 10pm, on evening of 3rd May. If so, it seems highly likely that at least one member of the tapas group, or two, possibly three, played some role in taking Madeleine out of apartment 5A - careful study and analysis of the now known facts throws David Payne, Jayne Tanner, and Russell O'Brien into the frame, since it is activity carried out by these individuals during the relevant period and beyond, which leaps out at you on a study of facts linked or associated with the group...

If the parents (15% risk) had nothing to do directly with Maddies disappearance from apartment 5A that evening, and there was no involvement of pedophile or abduction of child for sale in the disappearance  (4% risk), and it involved someone from within the group, Payne, Tanner (40% risk) and her partner O'Brien, become prime suspects, because one or more were away from the tapas bar during the relevant period between 9:05 and 10pm on 3rd May...
"Oh, what a tangled web we weave, when we first practice to deceive"...

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1519 on: July 06, 2013, 08:12:AM »
Wasn't one of them ill for a short time and didn't join them at the tapas (it MAY be MO), could they be involved at all?
I'd be very suprised if the parents weren't involved.
The picture of DP, wow, the similarity is frightning.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1520 on: July 06, 2013, 10:36:AM »
Wasn't one of them ill for a short time and didn't join them at the tapas (it MAY be MO), could they be involved at all?
I'd be very suprised if the parents weren't involved.
The picture of DP, wow, the similarity is frightning.
I cannot believe that two educated and intelligent people would kill their child....why? If it was an accident surely they had enough professional status to ride it out? I cannot believe they would have thrown her body away like that, it doesnt make sense, dont know too much about the case but I fear she was taken by a paedophile and died within a few hours. It was a
favourite haunt for such people I believe??

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« Reply #1521 on: July 06, 2013, 11:01:AM »
Maggie,
I've never yet come across an unintelligent murderer. Harold Shipman, Fred West, Susan Smith to name a few. Perhaps it was an accident that happened when they were out and they found her dead, it would open so many questions and wreck their livelyhood at an instant.
The abduction theory never bode wll for me because there was never any evidence (that I saw) of an intruder and if the checks were being done as they stated, it would imply so much 'traffic' between the flats and the tapas, it wouldn't be viable. I don't understnad why they thought the arrangement was safe-to leave them home alone. Its one of those cases we may never get to the bottom of but I hope we do for Madeleine's sake.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1522 on: July 06, 2013, 11:19:AM »
mark Bridger dont sound to bright neither does Ian Huntley.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1523 on: July 06, 2013, 02:28:PM »
Joanne
That was the culture particularly among middle class parents. Rightly or wrongly it was accepted behaviour to leave your children sleeping in much the way they did.
I find it impossible to believe they were both capable of cold blooded murder and fail to see the connection with the likes of numerous serial killers such as Harold Shipman et al. I can appreciate there is a possibility of an accident but I fail to believe that both would have reacted in such a way. They were both doctors, therefore people of professional standing and therefore in a better social position to explain and be believed about an accident than others. It just doesnt make any sense imo.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1524 on: July 06, 2013, 04:37:PM »
the theory that the mcanns druged there children falls down on one thing a drugs overdose would be more likely to kill the youngest child than the oldest.

and i cant see 2 qualified doctors getting the dose wrong anyway.
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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1525 on: July 06, 2013, 05:42:PM »
Hello Maggie

whilst I think the McCanns were very wrong to leave their children alone for any length of time I do not think for one moment they had anything to do with little Maddie's disappearance.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1526 on: July 06, 2013, 06:18:PM »
Maggie,
I've never yet come across an unintelligent murderer. Harold Shipman, Fred West, Susan Smith to name a few. Perhaps it was an accident that happened when they were out and they found her dead, it would open so many questions and wreck their livelyhood at an instant.
The abduction theory never bode wll for me because there was never any evidence (that I saw) of an intruder and if the checks were being done as they stated, it would imply so much 'traffic' between the flats and the tapas, it wouldn't be viable. I don't understnad why they thought the arrangement was safe-to leave them home alone. Its one of those cases we may never get to the bottom of but I hope we do for Madeleine's sake.

Hi Joanne - Could Fred West be described as intelligent? He had learning difficulties which was why he had to have an 'Appropriate Adult' to sit in when interviewed.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1527 on: July 06, 2013, 06:32:PM »
Good point Caroline.
I think to carry out several murders, bury his victims in his garden and cellar without the neigbours seeing it and hold a job down-I think he did building/repair work, I believe he did have a level of intellegence about him.
In the case of Shannon matthews I think the judge made a comment about Karen Matthews and Michael Donovan, said he wondered whether they had help because neither of them appeared clever enough to carry out the crime alone.

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1528 on: July 06, 2013, 06:47:PM »
Hello Maggie

whilst I think the McCanns were very wrong to leave their children alone for any length of time I do not think for one moment they had anything to do with little Maddie's disappearance.
Hi susie  ;D I agree it was wrong but it was common practice , I dont believe there was anything sinister in it. ;)

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Re: The case of Madeleine McCann
« Reply #1529 on: July 06, 2013, 06:51:PM »
Maggie would I be right in thinking you could be prosecuted in this Country for leaving a child home alone under the age of 14 I think.