The case of Madeleine McCann

[Patti]

It was Matthew Oldfield that checked on Madeleine about 9:30 before Kate's check just before 10pm. Matthew did not enter the room, he sees the twins, but does not see Madeleine.  If only he had entered the bedroom.

When Kate entered the apartment, she experienced, what I would call a vortex when she was about to close the bedroom door, it slammed shut. This is important, because it means there has to be two open windows or doors...in the apartment, but she claimed to have closed the patio door too. She then enters the bedroom and the shutter was up and the window open....

The served a purpose, but it was forensically proved that the window had not been used. The window was opened for a reason....for an escape by an abductor. This method is used by any tactical team...It was also used by the WHF team raid. 

[mike tesko]

Lets look at this from a different perspective - we have the second volunteer staying behind at his own apartment to look after a sick child at about the time Maddie goes missing from apartment 5a - and his partner just so happens to be the witness who claims she saw a long haired zombie type of a man carrying off a child in his arms earlier in the evening in the general direction of Robert Murats villa? She is also absent at the time Kate leaves the tapas bar to do her 10pm check at the time she discovers Maddie to have been taken - "They have taken her, Maddie is gone"...

Lo and behold, it is these persons who thrust Robert Murat into the fray, by claiming that they had seen him hanging around the apartment block on the night Maddie went missing -  a fact consistently denied by Murat...

[mike tesko]

It was Matthew Oldfield that checked on Madeleine about 9:30 before Kate's check just before 10pm. Matthew did not enter the room, he sees the twins, but does not see Madeleine.  If only he had entered the bedroom.

When Kate entered the apartment, she experienced, what I would call a vortex when she was about to close the bedroom door, it slammed shut. This is important, because it means there has to be two open windows or doors...in the apartment, but she claimed to have closed the patio door too. She then enters the bedroom and the shutter was up and the window open....

The served a purpose, but it was forensically proved that the window had not been used. The window was opened for a reason....for an escape by an abductor. This method is used by any tactical team...It was also used by the WHF team raid. 

Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...

[Patti]

Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...

I have tried the same Mike....My son thinks I have lost the plot sometimes. But I did the experiment in my own home upstairs, because the downstairs doors are too heavy. I left my bedroom window open and opened my bathroom window...at first I could not get anything to happen, so I left the door ajar for a while....My son came in the front door and guess what, my bedroom door slammed shut....

Could there have been someone inside the apartment when Kate was there? Was it an intruder going back for the twins and crept out of either the front door or back door...

I'm like you with Mike there had to be another souse of air coming in...to cause the vortex...

[mike tesko]

Vortex could only have been created or generated because two windows, or a window and a door was open at the same time. I know this to be true, because whilst I was staying in the next apartment block which had a very similar design to the layout inside apartment 5a, I carried out and conducted experiments to see what could have caused the vortex which Kate McCann describes having occurred. The fact is, that if the bedroom window had been open when Kate first opened the unlocked patio door to enter the apartment at the time of her 10pm check, the bedroom door would almost certainly have slammed shut at that stage or time. Similarly, if the door on the roadside of the apartment had already been open when Kate entered apartment 5a via the unlocked patio door, the bedroom door would again have slammed shut by the dynamics of the vortex, aforementioned...

Fact is...

When Kate entered apartment 5a at the time of her 10pm check, there was no window or door open, otherwise the bedroom door would have almost certainly slammed shut, but it did not, at least not until later...

I was very meticulous in the way I carried out these experiments, and I came to the conclusion that if Kate closed the unlocked patio door behind her when she first went into apartment 5a during her 10pm check, then of course there could be no vortex to cause the bedroom door to slam shut once she had closed the patio door, as she claimed she had done, providing the bedroom window, or another door (roadside) was not open at that time or by that stage. So in a nutshell, when Kate entered 5a, via patio door there was no window or other door open at that stage. She then closes the patio door and goes to check on her children...

As she walks inside apartment 5a, she makes her way to the bedroom door which has not slammed shut at this stage. She can see the door on the roadside of the apartment and it must have been closed otherwise she would have easily been able to see it in the open position? But let us assume that the roadside door is fractionally open and Kate did not notice this for whatever reason, and she pushed the bedroom door open and takes a peak inside and reports that she could see the twins, but did not physically see Maddie,. But what she notices is that the door is slightly open wider than when it had been set earlier when she and Jerry had gone out to eat. She resets the bedroom door and then Whooosh, the bedroom door slams shut, and she quickly opens the door to the bedroom and as she does so, the curtains fly open and she can see the window is open and the steel shutter raised...

Sorry - I just do not believe this account, it is too far fetched and can easily be exposed as untrue...

[Patti]

mmmmmm What about if there was a build up of air? Maybe she didn't close the patio doors?

Mike I need to ask you if you have any statements from Elliot, regarding the window at WHF?

Good night to you.. 

[maggie]

mmmmmm What about if there was a build up of air? Maybe she didn't close the patio doors?

Mike I need to ask you if you have any statements from Elliot, regarding the window at WHF?

Good night to you.. 

Night Patti

[Patti]

Night Patti

Just caught you maggie...good night to you. X

[mike tesko]

I have tried the same Mike....My son thinks I have lost the plot sometimes. But I did the experiment in my own home upstairs, because the downstairs doors are too heavy. I left my bedroom window open and opened my bathroom window...at first I could not get anything to happen, so I left the door ajar for a while....My son came in the front door and guess what, my bedroom door slammed shut....

Could there have been someone inside the apartment when Kate was there? Was it an intruder going back for the twins and crept out of either the front door or back door...

I'm like you with Mike there had to be another souse of air coming in...to cause the vortex...

I think Jane Tanner was there with Kate in the apartment...

[mike tesko]

KEY FEATURES WORTHY OF RECONSIDERATION:-
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(1) - The very first occasion that anyone other than the McCanns, knew the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, was when Kate told one of the group this at around 9:30pm. This is significant because any would be abductor did not force any window shutter to gain access to the premises. Whoever took Maddie or removed her body from apartment 5a, did so by entering the premises via (a) the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the premises or (b) by use of a door key to the door on the roadside of the premises. This is very interesting because the person who gave the information to one of the group that access to apartment 5a at around 9:30pm, and the person who had control and possession of the keys to the roadside door at the time Maddie was discovered to be missing, was / is Kate McCann...

[mike tesko]

KEY FEATURES WORTHY OF RECONSIDERATION:-
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(1) - The very first occasion that anyone other than the McCanns, knew the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, was when Kate told one of the group this at around 9:30pm. This is significant because any would be abductor did not force any window shutter to gain access to the premises. Whoever took Maddie or removed her body from apartment 5a, did so by entering the premises via (a) the unlocked patio door on the poolside of the premises or (b) by use of a door key to the door on the roadside of the premises. This is very interesting because the person who gave the information to one of the group that access to apartment 5a at around 9:30pm, and the person who had control and possession of the keys to the roadside door at the time Maddie was discovered to be missing, was / is Kate McCann...

(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm, out of the equation and they did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?

[guest154]

(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm,  and did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?

Very.
If I had all this information in front of me.. I would come to the same conclusion as the officer in charge did ( who can blame him?! ) it would be a possibility in my mind.

[Patti]

Sorry guys, but I don't buy any other theory other than an abduction.

Jane Tanner sees a man carrying a child approx 9:10

The Smith family of 7 also saw a man carrying a child at approx 9:45

All witnesses give similar descriptions.

All witnesses did not know each others statements...so if there is doubt here then there is 8 more people
telling lies about what they saw that night.

Plus all the witnesses who claim to have seen a man hanging around the apartment prior to Madeleine going missing....

 

[mike tesko]

(2) - Jane Tanners sighting of the faceless man carrying off the child who could have been Maddie, conveniently takes the two group members who learned about the patio doors of apartment 5a being left unlocked at around 9:30pm, out of the equation and they did not find out about that until 20 minutes or so after Jane Tanner saw the child in the mans arms (around 9:10pm) - how lnconvenient was / is that?

(3) - When the two group members went to check apartments at about 9:30pm, armed with the knowlege that the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, either Maddie was already gone and missing, or still asleep in her bed. Now depending upon which version of events you choose to believe (because at least two different accounts have been given) when one of the opened the unlocked patio doors, if the bedroom window, or the door on the roadside of the premises had been opened, it would have caused the bedroom door to slam shut (as later described by Kate ), but it did not. This must mean that when the 9:30pm check was made, Maddie must have still been inside the bedroom, and that the bedroom window and corresponding steel shutter at that window, and the door on the roadside of the premises had been closed at that stage, otherwise the checker would have noticed something similar to that described by Kate when she says she discovered Maddie to be missing at 10pm? If Maddie was still in bed inside apartment 5a when the 9:30pm check was made then the sighting by Jane tanner (2) could not be a reference to anyone carrying off Maddie beforehand...

[mike tesko]

(3) - When the two group members went to check apartments at about 9:30pm, armed with the knowlege that the patio doors to apartment 5a were unlocked, either Maddie was already gone and missing, or still asleep in her bed. Now depending upon which version of events you choose to believe (because at least two different accounts have been given) when one of the opened the unlocked patio doors, if the bedroom window, or the door on the roadside of the premises had been opened, it would have caused the bedroom door to slam shut (as later described by Kate ), but it did not. This must mean that when the 9:30pm check was made, Maddie must have still been inside the bedroom, and that the bedroom window and corresponding steel shutter at that window, and the door on the roadside of the premises had been closed at that stage, otherwise the checker would have noticed something similar to that described by Kate when she says she discovered Maddie to be missing at 10pm? If Maddie was still in bed inside apartment 5a when the 9:30pm check was made then the sighting by Jane tanner (2) could not be a reference to anyone carrying off Maddie beforehand...

(4) - Maddie went missing from inside apartment 5a, between Jerry's check at about 9pm, and the second check carried out at about 9:30pm (and which included the sighting by Jane Tanner of the man carrying the child during the relevant period), or she went missing at the time of the 9:30pm check, or after the 9:30pm check, and before the last check carried out by Kate at 10pm, or she went missing or was taken at 10pm...

Event (1) - Maddie went missing or was taken between 9pm and 9:30pm
Event (2) - Maddie went missing at 9:30pm
Event (3) - Maddie went missing between 9:30pm and 10pm
Event (4) - Maddie went missing at 10pm...