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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1590 on: August 07, 2018, 06:55:PM »
Can you post them please?
They're really not worth reading Indigo:

Wormwood Scrubs 16 August 1988

DEAR COLIN

I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOUR LETTER TODAY, COLIN, WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE. YOUR WRITING TO ME HOPING, I GUESS, FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED, IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.

THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION, COLIN, BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT, BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED BY WHOM I CANNOT PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'Y EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU. IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO...

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT ME-I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL-EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

I WON'T GO ON, YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER

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                                                                                    JEREMY

P.S I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU.
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1591 on: August 07, 2018, 07:01:PM »
They're really not worth reading Indigo:

Wormwood Scrubs 16 August 1988

DEAR COLIN

I READ THE ARTICLE IN YESTERDAY'S INDEPENDENT WITH MUCH SADNESS I ALWAYS FEEL WHEN I READ ABOUT YOU AND WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH IN THE LAST THREE YEARS.

YOUR LETTER TODAY, COLIN, WAS I'M AFRAID A TOUCH PREMATURE. YOUR WRITING TO ME HOPING, I GUESS, FOR THE LAST FEW PIECES OF THE JIGSAW SO THAT YOU MAY HOLD THE PICTURE OF WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT POSSIBLE. IF I COULD FURNISH YOU WITH WHAT YOU WANTED THEN I WOULD GLADLY DO SO-WHATEVER HAPPENED THAT FATEFUL NIGHT WILL NEVER BE FULLY EXPLAINED, IN FACT YOU COULD PROBABLY TELL ME MORE THAN I COULD YOU.

THE PAPER DID MENTION IN THE ARTICLE YESTERDAY THAT I WAS APPEALING AND NO DOUBT YOU KNEW THAT ANYWAY. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO REACT WHEN THEY QUASH MY CONVICTION, COLIN, BECAUSE IT'S VERY PROBABLE THEY WILL DO SO? YOU MAY BELIEVE ME GUILTY,YOU MAY NOT, BUT I HOPE THAT IF NOTHING ELSE YOU'LL TRY AND KEEP AN OPEN MIND BECAUSE AT MY APPEAL I WILL PROVE MY INNOCENCE AND BY DOING THAT THE CORNER-STONE OF THE PROSECUTION EVIDENCE WAS FABRICATED BY WHOM I CANNOT PROVE YET AND IT'S NOT NECESSARY TO DO SO FOR MY APPEAL BUT EVENTUALLY I'LL FIND OUT BECAUSE IT CAN ONLY BE ONE OF FIVE PEOPLE. IT SOUNDS LIKE I'M TALKING RIDDLES AND I'M SORRY THAT I CAN'Y EXPLAIN IN A LETTER TO YOU. IT SEEMS SO POINTLESS ME SENDING YOU THIS LETTER AS IT'LL ONLY ADD TO YOUR CONFUSION BUT FOR YOU TO WRITE TO ME MUST HAVE TAKEN A GREAT DEAL SO MY REPLYING IS THE LEAST I CAN DO...

IN THE SAME WAY THAT YOU QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT SHEILA IN THE NEWSPAPERS SO YOU SHOULD QUESTION WHAT WAS WRITTEN ABOUT ME-I'M NOT GAY OR BI-SEXUAL, I WASN'T A COCAINE SMUGGLER, I DIDN'T KNOW HALF THE PEOPLE I'D BEEN ASSOCIATED WITH, I DIDN'T BREAK SOMEONE'S ARM AT SCHOOL, I DIDN'T KITE CHEQUES AND I DIDN'T RAPE JULIE. WHAT OTHER ODIOUS STUFF THEY WROTE I CAN'T RECALL-EVEN DURING MY TRIAL THEY COULDN'T GET IT RIGHT.

I WON'T GO ON, YOU KNOW ME AND WHAT I WAS LIKE AND I DIDN'T WRITE TO CONVINCE YOU OF MY INNOCENCE EVEN THOUGH I AM, JUST WELL WHATEVER

                                                                                  LOVE
                                                                                    JEREMY

P.S I TRULY WISH I COULD HELP YOU.

Think he's talking about the silencer?
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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1592 on: August 07, 2018, 07:12:PM »
SCRUBS PRISON, WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989

DEAR COLIN,
  SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER. I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM OR DAD. HOW SAD, COLIN, THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE, MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU COLIN, WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO, EH, WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON, MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."

I HAD A REPORT FROM A TOP FORENSIC SCIENTIST WHO CAN SAY THAT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE USED AT MY TRIAL WAS SERIOUSLY AT ODDS WITH THE FACTS-THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE USED WAS CRUCIAL FOR A CONVICTION AND I CAN NOW DEMOLISH IT-WHAT THAT MEANS IS I'M LIKELY TO HAVE A RETRIAL OR BE RELEASED AND THEN IT WILL BE MY TURN TO USE THE MEDIA FOR MY OWN SELFISH INTERESTS-PAY BACK FOR THOSE PEOPLE TOO BLIND TO SEE TRUTH. SHEILA KILLED HER CHILDREN AND MY MUM AND DAD AND THEN SHOT HERSELF AND I'M 9/10ths OF THE WAY TO PROVING THAT. BUT WITH NO THANKS TO YOU. DON'T BOTHER TO WRITE BACK EVER, COLIN, COS YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY LIFE.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1593 on: August 07, 2018, 07:14:PM »
Think he's talking about the silencer?
Yes I think so. The list must include Robert Boutflour, David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Basil Cock and one more.

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« Reply #1594 on: August 07, 2018, 07:15:PM »
Yes I think so. The list must include Robert Boutflour, David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Basil Cock and one more.

Actually, I think he's referring to Robert Boutflour, David Boutflour, Ann Eaton, Peter Eaton and Stan Jones.
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« Reply #1595 on: August 07, 2018, 07:20:PM »
GO AND ENJOY YOUR CELEBRITY STATUS. MAYBE YOU'LL BE ON WOGAN NEXT AND CAN ADVERTISE YOUR BOOK AND SCULPTURES THAT WAY-HOW YOU CAN CHEAPEN DANIEL AND NICHOLAS AND THEIR TRAGIC DEATH I JUST DON'T KNOW. NO ONE WANTED ANYTHING OF YOU BEFORE THEN AND NOW THEY'RE GONE YOUR USING IT FOR YOUR OWN ENDS-PRETENDING IT'S GRIEF COUNSELLING, YOU WERE ALRIGHT, COLIN, ONCE, BUT NOW I'M SORRY TO SEE YOU'RE NOTHING BUT A LEACH LIVING OFF YOUR OWN SONS' TRAGIC DEATH. IF THEY COULD SEE YOU NOW I BET IT WOULD SICKEN THEM AS IT SICKENS ME..I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURSELF, IN FACT I BET YOU DO. WHAT I WISH IS THAT YOU NEVER GET TO HAVE CHILDREN IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE YOU'LL FUCK THEM UP TOO-IT WAS YOUR FAULT THAT SHEILA WENT MAD AND KILLED EVERYONE YOU KNEW SHE WOULD BREAK UNDER THE STRAIN OF BRINGING UP A FAMILY ON HER OWN-YOU DIDN'T CARE FOR YOUR CHILDREN EVEN IN THE WOMB..

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1596 on: August 07, 2018, 07:21:PM »
SCRUBS PRISON, WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1989

DEAR COLIN,
  SO YOU DECIDED NOT TO REPLY TO MY LETTER. I WONDER WHY? MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE YOU CAN'T FACE THE TRUTH THAT I DID NOT KILL YOUR CHILDREN OR SHEILA OR MUM OR DAD. HOW SAD, COLIN, THAT YOU CAN'T DISTINGUISH REALITY FROM MEDIA HYPE, MISGUIDED POLICE AND MY MONEY-GRABBING RELATIVES. OUT OF EVERYONE I THOUGHT YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BUT INSTEAD YOU'VE MADE YOURSELF A COG IN THE MEDIA WHEEL. THE VERY SAME MEDIA THAT YOU RIDICULE IN THE RADIO TIMES. YOU CAN'T IMAGINE HOW I'VE SUFFERED SINCE SHEILA KILLED MY FAMILY-I DON'T SUPPOSE YOU CARE AND WHY SHOULD YOU COLIN, WITH YOUR NICE LITTLE BOOK AND YOUR PRETTY LITTLE SCULPTURES POURING OUT YOUR GRIEF TO ANY FILM CREW AROUND-NICE TIMING TOO, EH, WITH MY APPEAL UP SOON, MAYBE YOU'D LIKE TO WAVE A BANNER OUTSIDE THE COURT WITH "JEREMY'S GUILTY BUT I DON'T WANT REVENGE."

I HAD A REPORT FROM A TOP FORENSIC SCIENTIST WHO CAN SAY THAT THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE USED AT MY TRIAL WAS SERIOUSLY AT ODDS WITH THE FACTS-THE FORENSIC EVIDENCE USED WAS CRUCIAL FOR A CONVICTION AND I CAN NOW DEMOLISH IT-WHAT THAT MEANS IS I'M LIKELY TO HAVE A RETRIAL OR BE RELEASED AND THEN IT WILL BE MY TURN TO USE THE MEDIA FOR MY OWN SELFISH INTERESTS-PAY BACK FOR THOSE PEOPLE TOO BLIND TO SEE TRUTH. SHEILA KILLED HER CHILDREN AND MY MUM AND DAD AND THEN SHOT HERSELF AND I'M 9/10ths OF THE WAY TO PROVING THAT. BUT WITH NO THANKS TO YOU. DON'T BOTHER TO WRITE BACK EVER, COLIN, COS YOU ARE NOT WELCOME IN MY LIFE.

Thanks for posting them Steve , now I have read them they ring a distant bell and i think i've seen them somewhere else over the years.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1597 on: August 07, 2018, 07:23:PM »
YOU'VE DONE ME MUCH HARM WITH YOUR SELFISH USE OF THE MEDIA SO I'D USE THE SAME TO GET MY OWN BACK. LOOK FORWARD TO AN ARTICLE SOON COLIN MAY IT PRICK YOUR CONSCIENCE IF YOU HAVE ONE, YOUR NOTHING BUT A LEACH JUST THINK WHAT YOUR FEEDING OFF.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1598 on: August 20, 2018, 03:01:PM »
Isn't it concerning that a lot of investigating officers in many cases who are supposed to be impartial when carrying out their investigations seem only to opt for those witnesses who they believe will help them secure a conviction ??
So with this in mind how can those who are facing false allegations ever have a hope of defending themselves, particularly as there is no legal aid either ?
Jeremy has fought and remains fighting with his hands tied behind his back with no hope ( let's be honest ) of seeing freedom. It would have to be a tremendous breakthrough of unseen evidence before he is cleared and up to now nobody has solved anything.

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« Reply #1599 on: August 20, 2018, 05:31:PM »
Isn't it concerning that a lot of investigating officers in many cases who are supposed to be impartial when carrying out their investigations seem only to opt for those witnesses who they believe will help them secure a conviction ??
So with this in mind how can those who are facing false allegations ever have a hope of defending themselves, particularly as there is no legal aid either ?
Jeremy has fought and remains fighting with his hands tied behind his back with no hope ( let's be honest ) of seeing freedom. It would have to be a tremendous breakthrough of unseen evidence before he is cleared and up to now nobody has solved anything.
I think all sides on the forum wish to be fair lookout. We've got some photographs in the public domain but not others, which is a shock, but I wonder exactly what the Defence is pinning its hopes on now? I agree that it look as if Jeremy's fate is outside his control and I suppose you have to hope either the relatives or Julie Smerchanski recant, a scenario which with every day passing looks all the more improbable.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1600 on: August 20, 2018, 06:08:PM »
I think all sides on the forum wish to be fair lookout. We've got some photographs in the public domain but not others, which is a shock, but I wonder exactly what the Defence is pinning its hopes on now? I agree that it look as if Jeremy's fate is outside his control and I suppose you have to hope either the relatives or Julie Smerchanski recant, a scenario which with every day passing looks all the more improbable.






Because of the unacceptable number of MOJ's that have arisen it goes without saying that looking for a  conviction, be it for promotional reasons, clashes of personality ( instant hatred of the offender )  or a quick turnover of prisoners clearly isn't working.

Whether the relatives and Julie have ever had the slightest inkling that all couldn't be as it had seemed given the constant pleas of innocence from Jeremy, I wouldn't know but I know one thing and that's nobody is going to ever admit anything at this stage----not even EP.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1601 on: August 20, 2018, 10:10:PM »
I must be one of the few people totally unfazed by Jeremy Bamber's letters to Colin Caffell.  It was probably unforeseen by her, but Sheila Caffell left trail of destruction and chaos among the living, in the wake of her episode and the killings.  There could have been some closure in this, had the relatives not become involved to the extent and in the manner which they did.  In the first instance, everyone involved was a victim of Sheila Caffell, who was a victim of circumstance. And secondly, everyone is a victim of the relatives, who, in blind arrogance, drove and assisted the efforts to cover up the truth.
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« Reply #1602 on: August 20, 2018, 10:12:PM »
I must be one of the few people totally unfazed by Jeremy Bamber's letters to Colin Caffell.  It was probably unforeseen by her, but Sheila Caffell left trail of destruction and chaos among the living, in the wake of her episode and the killings.  There could have been some closure in this, had the relatives not become involved to the extent and in the manner which they did.  In the first instance, everyone involved was a victim of Sheila Caffell, who was a victim of circumstance. And secondly, everyone is a victim of the relatives, who drove and assisted the efforts to cover up the truth.

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Re: Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath
« Reply #1603 on: August 20, 2018, 10:14:PM »
Yes, you must be.

Yes, it's not an issue for me.  As I see two victims slugging it out.

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« Reply #1604 on: August 20, 2018, 10:18:PM »
Yes, it's not an issue for me.  As I see two victims slugging it out.

There is no understanding on Jeremy's side for Colin's loss. To me, Colin is the ONLY living victim and Jeremy's lack of empathy towards Colin just makes him sound more guilty.
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