Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Caroline]

So in your view,those who " acted or performed " as Jeremy's behaviour had been described------is a psychopath ?

Eh? Those people who FIT the traits of a psychopath are a psychopath. Someone who can kill five people without showing any remorse or taking any responsibility is (in my view) a psychopath and displays all the traits of a psychopath.

[lookout]

So as everyone of those you worked with would have been totally different, what, in your estimation, is the common denominator of psychopathy?

Wthout an EEG or MRI there's no way of knowing and the way a person behaves isn't one way of telling.
It's not something that can be diagnosed unless a person has murdered multiple people such as Sutcliffe and those like him.
Because Jeremy doesn't show or display remorse is NOT a symptom of psychopathy in HIS case simply because he didn't do anything.

Patients at the hospital were downright cruel to those who were vulnerable and usually ended up in the padded cell because of their continual urge to inflict pain,and who enjoyed doing it. It's this wanton cruelty that points towards psychopathy and can be seen in children from an early age. It's part of a marker that follows into adult life. Those who get a kick out of inflicting pain !! The fearless ones.

[Caroline]

Besides which, since when were people hospitalised for being psychopaths?

Well. you might get a few in hospital because they have an illness, but they won't be there because they're a psychopath  . More likely to find one or two as doctors or surgeons.

[sami]

There is no way of diagnosing psychopathy either apart from an MRI scan. Nobody can say that anyone's a psychopath unless they've got the proof from the scan,so where did your diagnosis come from ?

The conditions that I mentioned are those attached to a serial killer as well as a psychopath. Even a lie-detector can come close to diagnosing a psychopath because of an " abnormally " low pulse rate.

lie detecters fall in the same catergory as tarot cards ,astrolagy ,its already been proven that killers can pass them and some innocent people can fail them.as for mri scan ive only heard of a few trials in the usa,i dont think the nhs uses it to determine a persons mental illness

[lookout]

Well. you might get a few in hospital because they have an illness, but they won't be there because they're a psychopath  . More likely to find one or two as doctors or surgeons.

It begins with a personality disorder,which in the 50's wasn't recognised as such,or if so it only appeared to be borderline. Bi-polar was another illness which manifested itself into psychopathy if not treated/recognised or treated with the wrong medication. 
One or two patients were admitted with mild depression and were put with patients who were severely mentally ill and as a consequence,the depressives became as violent as those who were classed as dangerous. Whether this was because they were mixed or whether there was more to the depressive illness I don't know because I only remember that they were the ones who received ECT.
The older sick ones were the religious bods and who attempted to take their lives.

[Jane]

lie detecters fall in the same catergory as tarot cards ,astrolagy ,its already been proven that killers can pass them and some innocent people can fail them.as for mri scan ive only heard of a few trials in the usa,i dont think the nhs uses it to determine a persons mental illness

Psychopathy, of course, not being in the category of mental illness, but a personality disorder.

[Caroline]

It begins with a personality disorder,which in the 50's wasn't recognised as such,or if so it only appeared to be borderline. Bi-polar was another illness which manifested itself into psychopathy if not treated/recognised or treated with the wrong medication. 
One or two patients were admitted with mild depression and were put with patients who were severely mentally ill and as a consequence,the depressives became as violent as those who were classed as dangerous. Whether this was because they were mixed or whether there was more to the depressive illness I don't know because I only remember that they were the ones who received ECT.
The older sick ones were the religious bods and who attempted to take their lives.

OK, you haven't described a psychopath at all - bi-polar, psychotic, depressive - none of these terms have anything to do with psychopathy. If you had had a few psychopaths in the mix, they would probably have sold the other patients the Brooklyn Bridge - that's how you would have known they were psychopaths! Psychopaths are controlled and in such situations as the one you mention, they wouldn't be violent - they wouldn't show their hand.

[lookout]

OK, you haven't described a psychopath at all - bi-polar, psychotic, depressive - none of these terms have anything to do with psychopathy. If you had had a few psychopaths in the mix, they would probably have sold the other patients the Brooklyn Bridge - that's how you would have known they were psychopaths! Psychopaths are controlled and in such situations as the one you mention, they wouldn't be violent - they wouldn't show their hand.

The psychopathic patients showed a marked reduction of the frontal lobe of their brain.
Behaviour DOESN'T always indicate psychopathy which you seem to believe.

[lookout]

The world is full of them if you count greed,a NEED to get to the top of the ladder and everything else that makes someone a human being.
Your version of a psychopath is far different to mine. Psychopaths CAN be violent wth a clever way of denying and covering up ! This is how and why you can't tell only by medical intervention or that makes you paranoid yourself.

[lookout]

By the way they DO have a lower than normal pulse rate--------------they have to have in order not to be detected on a lie-detector. I 'm surprised you didn't pick up on that one.

[lookout]

Like it or not,psychopathy is still a mental condition.

[Caroline]

The psychopathic patients showed a marked reduction of the frontal lobe of their brain.
Behaviour DOESN'T always indicate psychopathy which you seem to believe.

When did I say behaviour indicates psychopathy? We ALL have behaviour but we're not all psychopaths. You seem to be tying yourself in knots.

[Caroline]

The world is full of them if you count greed,a NEED to get to the top of the ladder and everything else that makes someone a human being.
Your version of a psychopath is far different to mine. Psychopaths CAN be violent wth a clever way of denying and covering up ! This is how and why you can't tell only by medical intervention or that makes you paranoid yourself.

Now you're getting it! Who does that remind you of? 

[Caroline]

Like it or not,psychopathy is still a mental condition.

If you want to put is like that - then so is normality!

[sami]

Now you're getting it! Who does that remind you of? 

reminds me of the one n only,jb,