Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[lookout]

Yes sami I can't understand this dichotomy between a cool exterior and machinations past and present.

Nobody,unless they're completely insane could act in this manner,nor continue in confinement for over 30 years and remain symptom free.

[sami]

Nobody,unless they're completely insane could act in this manner,nor continue in confinement for over 30 years and remain symptom free.

ib is not insane,he is a cool calculated killer and very clever

[lookout]

ib is not insane,he is a cool calculated killer and very clever

 I don't care what you say or think but a " calculated and clever killer " DOES show symptoms of sorts while being cooped up,especially after 30 odd years. There would be symptoms similar to that of a psychotic character-------anxiety,behavioural problems,personality disorder ( anti-social ) emotional instability and a whole host of other symptoms including paranoia too. These symptoms are akin to psychopathy as well.
I don't recollect anything having been diagnosed in JB's case---------Sheila's,yes.

[sami]

 I don't care what you say or think but a " calculated and clever killer " DOES show symptoms of sorts while being cooped up,especially after 30 odd years. There would be symptoms similar to that of a psychotic character-------anxiety,behavioural problems,personality disorder ( anti-social ) emotional instability and a whole host of other symptoms including paranoia too. These symptoms are akin to psychopathy as well.
I don't recollect anything having been diagnosed in JB's case---------Sheila's,yes.

what makes you think he is not showing signs of the above ,we cant tell because he is sitting in the nick

[Caroline]

 I don't care what you say or think but a " calculated and clever killer " DOES show symptoms of sorts while being cooped up,especially after 30 odd years. There would be symptoms similar to that of a psychotic character-------anxiety,behavioural problems,personality disorder ( anti-social ) emotional instability and a whole host of other symptoms including paranoia too. These symptoms are akin to psychopathy as well.
I don't recollect anything having been diagnosed in JB's case---------Sheila's,yes.

Why are you talking about 'symptoms'? There are no symptoms, psychopathy is NOT an illness.Psychopathy and psychosis bear no similarities what so ever.

http://counsellingresource.com/features/2012/11/12/psychosis-psychopathy/

[lookout]

what makes you think he is not showing signs of the above ,we cant tell because he is sitting in the nick

Do they only employ blind prison officers in Cat A prisons then ?

[Caroline]

Do they only employ blind prison officers in Cat A prisons then ?

No, but given that there are no 'symptoms' of being a psychopath and that it is in no way related to psychosis - I'm not sure what you point is? They are completely different conditions.

[lookout]

No, but given that there are no 'symptoms' of being a psychopath and that it is in no way related to psychosis - I'm not sure what you point is? They are completely different conditions.

There is no way of diagnosing psychopathy either apart from an MRI scan. Nobody can say that anyone's a psychopath unless they've got the proof from the scan,so where did your diagnosis come from ?

The conditions that I mentioned are those attached to a serial killer as well as a psychopath. Even a lie-detector can come close to diagnosing a psychopath because of an " abnormally " low pulse rate.

[Caroline]

There is no way of diagnosing psychopathy either apart from an MRI scan. Nobody can say that anyone's a psychopath unless they've got the proof from the scan,so where did your diagnosis come from ?

The conditions that I mentioned are those attached to a serial killer as well as a psychopath. Even a lie-detector can come close to diagnosing a psychopath because of an " abnormally " low pulse rate.

You are totally mixing things up because you still don't know what a psychopath is. A serial killer can be insane or he/she could be a psychopath (not insane). The term 'serial killer' isn't a condition, it simply describes what the person has done. No sure where you are getting your info from Lookout but it's pretty dodgy. Psychopaths don't have an abnormally low pulse rate.

[lookout]

You are totally mixing things up because you still don't know what a psychopath is. A serial killer can be insane or he/she could be a psychopath (not insane). The term 'serial killer' isn't a condition, it simply describes what the person has done. No sure where you are getting your info from Lookout but it's pretty dodgy. Psychopaths don't have an abnormally low pulse rate.

I DO know what a psychopath is,it's YOU who obviously doesn't !! I've worked with them for God's sake.

You believe what you want to and 'll believe what I want too. I don't go by text books ! I go by experience.

[Jane]

what makes you think he is not showing signs of the above ,we cant tell because he is sitting in the nick

Why should there be anymore signs of Jeremy being Jeremy, than there are of you being you.

[Jane]

I DO know what a psychopath is,it's YOU who obviously doesn't !! I've worked with them for God's sake.

You believe what you want to and 'll believe what I want too. I don't go by text books ! I go by experience.

So as everyone of those you worked with would have been totally different, what, in your estimation, is the common denominator of psychopathy?

[Caroline]

I DO know what a psychopath is,it's YOU who obviously doesn't !! I've worked with them for God's sake.

You believe what you want to and 'll believe what I want too. I don't go by text books ! I go by experience.

You clearly don't know - you are mixing up insanity and psychopathy. You listed a set of symptoms that have NOTHING to do with psychopathy and make erroneous claims about abnormally low blood pressure. Don't claim to be the only one here with experience - there is no reason as a nurse, you would have had any contact with psychopaths. If you had worked with them, you would know what one is!!

[lookout]

You are totally mixing things up because you still don't know what a psychopath is. A serial killer can be insane or he/she could be a psychopath (not insane). The term 'serial killer' isn't a condition, it simply describes what the person has done. No sure where you are getting your info from Lookout but it's pretty dodgy. Psychopaths don't have an abnormally low pulse rate.

So in your view,those who " acted or performed " as Jeremy's behaviour had been described------is a psychopath ?

[Jane]

You clearly don't know - you are mixing up insanity and psychopathy. You listed a set of symptoms that have NOTHING to do with psychopathy and make erroneous claims about abnormally low blood pressure. Don't claim to be the only one here with experience - there is no reason as a nurse, you would have had any contact with psychopaths. If you had worked with them, you would know what one is!!

Besides which, since when were people hospitalised for being psychopaths?