Jeremy Bamber: the Prelude, the Tragedy and the Aftermath

[Steve_uk]

He has no motive. Whatever motivates him now seems to be the same motive since day one of being in prison, he does not seem to have changed strategy

The motive was money, and if Malcolm Deckers' words that Jeremy told him if the Farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would be the sole owner do not chill your heart I don't know what will. True there was no Plan B, except to insist if caught that everyone else but him was telling lies.

[Caroline]

The motive was money, and if Malcolm Deckers' words that Jeremy told him if the Farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would be the sole owner do not chill your heart I don't know what will. True there was no Plan B, except to insist if caught that everyone else but him was telling lies.

And that is the main argument from the innocent side.

[David1819]

The motive was money, and if Malcolm Deckers' words that Jeremy told him if the Farm burned down at Christmas 1984 he would be the sole owner do not chill your heart I don't know what will. True there was no Plan B, except to insist if caught that everyone else but him was telling lies.

When I said no motive I was meaning that he has no motive for what you were suggesting if he was released

[Steve_uk]

When I said no motive I was meaning that he has no motive for what you were suggesting if he was released

Well nobody knows for sure. What I might be sympathetic to is improving the mental health of long-term prisoners, which I wonder if this was at all envisaged as a consequence of the abolition of the death penalty in 1965.

[lookout]

If anyone had motives,it was the two women.

[sami]

If anyone had motives,it was the two women.

which two,lookout

[Caroline]

If anyone had motives,it was the two women.

What would those motives be?

[Steve_uk]

The mystery for me in this case is not the who but the why: why an erudite well educated person could be so moved by the power of money that he was willing to slaughter five, the murders planned calculatingly over a period. Does materialism trump all other considerations as its universality spread from the small village to the cosmopolitan city of which Jeremy sampled both, or is this more sinisterly the threnody of the human condition and the inescapable urge to relieve oneself at any cost of the uniformity of the daily grind?

[sami]

The mystery for me in this case is not the who but the why: why an erudite well educated person could be so moved by the power of money that he was willing to slaughter five, the murders planned calculatingly over a period. Does materialism trump all other considerations as its universality spread from the small village to the cosmopolitan city of which Jeremy sampled both, or is this more sinisterly the threnody of the human condition and the inescapable urge to relieve oneself at any cost of the uniformity of the daily grind?

steve i think hate of his parents played a part.the horrible experience of been packed off and both nb and jb ignoring his pleas to return home ,also if he did experience abuse or bullying by other pupils.we know who he would blame in later life,bw was around the farm more than most people and the interveiw she gave showed jb 's nature ,what reason would she have to lie,she never stood to gain anything

[Steve_uk]

steve i think hate of his parents played a part.the horrible experience of been packed off and both nb and jb ignoring his pleas to return home ,also if he did experience abuse or bullying by other pupils.we know who he would blame in later life,bw was around the farm more than most people and the interveiw she gave showed jb 's nature ,what reason would she have to lie,she never stood to gain anything

Yes the stem I'm sure was the hatred of his parents, which he has never admitted despite several witnesses to the contrary, the killing of Sheila and the twins being a tidying up exercise and of course Sheila the scapegoat, part of the persona of persiflage in which Jeremy indulged, meaning that after the event he was unable to differentiate between the comedy and the tragedy.

[lookout]

Sheila loathed her mother,that's why she'd told everyone that she came into contact with,including her psychiatrist. Latterly,it would have seemed that Neville had been out of favour too because he was supporting June and her fragile state and seemingly siding with her to keep the peace.Gone would be the long phone-calls in the early hours when Sheila would pour her heart out to her father.
I suppose Sheila got to such a pitch that she'd felt that she didn't have anyone.

[Steve_uk]

I think she was just past caring at the end what anyone thought of her, though it's impossible to say what impact this had on her daily actions and thought processes. Nevill was off work with stress from his magistrates job and according to Barbara Wilson a shadow of his former self. I think Jeremy saw the opportunity this presented and of course with Sheila's illness the parents had taken their eyes off the ball to where the real danger lay.

[Jane]

Sheila loathed her mother,that's why she'd told everyone that she came into contact with,including her psychiatrist. Latterly,it would have seemed that Neville had been out of favour too because he was supporting June and her fragile state and seemingly siding with her to keep the peace.Gone would be the long phone-calls in the early hours when Sheila would pour her heart out to her father.
I suppose Sheila got to such a pitch that she'd felt that she didn't have anyone.

Please explain "everyone she came into contact with". I don't recall seeing this reported and me thinks it's a rather sweeping statement.

[Jane]

I think she was just past caring at the end what anyone thought of her, though it's impossible to say what impact this had on her daily actions and thought processes. Nevill was off work with stress from his magistrates job and according to Barbara Wilson a shadow of his former self. I think Jeremy saw the opportunity this presented and of course with Sheila's illness the parents had taken their eyes off the ball to where the real danger lay.

Steve, I'm not sure that we can be totally certain of that. The letter Mike posted -re Nevill's leave- was dated 1982. It could be, like many other things on here, that it was a case of two and two making five.

[lookout]

I'm afraid Jeremy hadn't noticed anyone but himself in those days. He knew his mother was unwell,also Sheila but he hadn't bothered finding out what the problems were,hence why he studied mental illness while in prison. He couldn't have questioned his father either if he'd appeared ill to outsiders.
Jeremy appeared to know NOTHING of what was going on or what went on that night.